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03-07-2008, 05:23 PM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: san fran
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
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Originally Posted by willw9
I cannot believe I just bookmarked a post with 'Shortstackers' in the title...
Also, maybe you guys could do a DCracked vid on pwning shortstackers Krantz? Obv they don't do too much to your winrate, but I'm sure with a little math they would become completely obsolete.
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People keep saying they don't do much to your winrate, not directly but they do. For instance, they can completely screw you if you are deep with some donk, and they shove over preflop action that would have otherwise been called.
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03-07-2008, 05:25 PM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
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Originally Posted by pdoran10
nice post moonshine. i finally started realizing what you posted about 3 days ago and it is very true. it was really helpful for you to write this out for everyone so that it can become common knowledge.
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excellent thread, btw
Last edited by Trivial; 03-07-2008 at 05:27 PM.
Reason: oops, pdoran post about murdering short stacker got edited, but i did it anyway
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03-07-2008, 05:41 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: sing-along blogging
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
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Originally Posted by willw9
I cannot believe I just bookmarked a post with 'Shortstackers' in the title...
Also, maybe you guys could do a DCracked vid on pwning shortstackers Krantz? Obv they don't do too much to your winrate, but I'm sure with a little math they would become completely obsolete.
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That's a good idea. We'll see if we can't cook something up. I personally am not the one going to make said video since I enjoy trying to crack them with 46s so much and pad their wallets.
Episode 2 of pr1nnyraiding deals with shortstackers in HU games.
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03-07-2008, 05:52 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
ahahhahahahaa i love this post 
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03-07-2008, 06:16 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Osi Ukin'-yora
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
i don't play on stars but thanks anyway, moonshine - some solid penance for shortstacking
now just stop being a good player on FTP plz
Last edited by Triumph36; 03-07-2008 at 06:42 PM.
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03-07-2008, 06:25 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Big Apple
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
ty, i felt like i wasnt 3betting them enough and now this proves it
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03-07-2008, 06:37 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
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Originally Posted by ddubois
I find this hard to believe. Not that it matters to me, since I don't play that high, but does anyone have a screen shot of one of them by positional stats in PT?
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PT is really dumb with positional stats i cant quite figure out how it works but the numbers dont really add up some how
Take my word for it. It's actually 100%
Though they're probably not stupid, i wonder how quick they'll adjust
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03-07-2008, 06:44 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: making the most +ev decisions
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
even if they adjust, constant 3betting will hurt their winrate, as you said. I realized before they were opening 100% from sb, but I didn't have balls to reraise with 64s. But I did it with all high card low kickers and stuff.
Great post.
Die shortstackers! And die slowly in a pain!
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03-07-2008, 06:47 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: A spoonful of sugar
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
BOOM
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03-07-2008, 07:57 PM
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Soulja Boy
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
excellent post op. I don't even play on stars, but i love that you made this. Down with shortstackers!
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03-07-2008, 08:00 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: London
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
moonshine, look at position stats tab and first in raise %.
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03-07-2008, 08:07 PM
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Free Hugz
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vegas
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
I would just reraise their button open to 8bb with 100% of my range and fold anything with less than like 37% equity if they 4bet shove, seems better than open shipping 30bbs everytime they open no?
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03-08-2008, 03:28 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: making the most +ev decisions
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
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Originally Posted by cwar
I would just reraise their button open to 8bb with 100% of my range and fold anything with less than like 37% equity if they 4bet shove, seems better than open shipping 30bbs everytime they open no?
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No, because I enjoy sucking out on them.
Seriously, good idea. Wonder how they would adjust.
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03-08-2008, 12:53 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
When you get 3bet by them you need 42% eq when 4betting them all in (you obv have no fe)
pushing range: a-9+ 45% (eq vs their 3bet range)
a-6s+ 45%
j-k+ 44%
4-4+ 46%
In my opinion a decent 4bet range to get it in with when you have opended first in lp...
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03-08-2008, 01:12 PM
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,842
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Re: LC Public service announcement: The Shortstacking Spaniards
WTF????
OP, thx for destroying weeks of work,. since i play a short and bigstack adn now both perspectives, the thing i can say is that OP is soooo right ;(
shortstacking can prolly almost be made unprofitable if ppl would adjust better, cuz the blinds and rake will eat em up
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