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Pocket Kings Get Beat By Set, Should have I folded? Pocket Kings Get Beat By Set, Should have I folded?

05-02-2017 , 09:13 PM
No Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25
Winning Poker Network
6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Villain: 8 hands, not enough data

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($72.66)
MP - MP ($25.08)
CO - CO ($21.62)
BTN - BTN ($33.02)
SB - SB ($30.04)
BB - Hero ($21.81)

Preflop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.00, 1 fold, SB calls $2.25

Flop: 7 8 5 ($6.75, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.28, SB calls $4.28

Turn: 9 ($15.31, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.27, SB raises to $22.76 (all-in), Hero calls $7.26 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $8.23 returned to SB

River: T ($44.37, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $44.37
SB shows 8 8 (with Three Of Kind of 8s)
Hero shows K K (with One pair of Ks)

SB wins $42.16 with Three Of Kind of 8s
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05-02-2017 , 09:36 PM
You have no read on your opponent and that's fine but you must have some sort of thought process throughout the hand. What are you thinking when you bet/call that turn?
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05-03-2017 , 09:20 AM
KK in a 3B pot, 80 bbs eff, overpair OTF. R/C 88 is arguably questionable, but he got lucky.
This looks more like a BB post than a strategy question. I'm not folding the KKs.
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05-03-2017 , 09:44 AM
tough to fold but yeah i would have folded
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05-03-2017 , 10:18 AM
Could you not check call the turn and evaluate the river? When betting are you betting your hand for value still?
When villain calls flop and such a connected card turns, it is probably hitting him, no?
If he is floating with AQs type hands then by checking and calling bets on turn, we keep bluffs in his range and if he shoves river, we know we're probably beat?
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05-05-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
You have no read on your opponent and that's fine but you must have some sort of thought process throughout the hand. What are you thinking when you bet/call that turn?
Thank you for pointing that out. I actually had no thought process. My thought process ended at "He must be bluffing or has a weak hand and wants my pot"

Why am I thinking like this? I seem to have these sort of moments when I am pot committed.
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05-05-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 4Bet5BetFold
Could you not check call the turn and evaluate the river? When betting are you betting your hand for value still?
When villain calls flop and such a connected card turns, it is probably hitting him, no?
If he is floating with AQs type hands then by checking and calling bets on turn, we keep bluffs in his range and if he shoves river, we know we're probably beat?
Yea maybe just checking behind on the turn was a smarter move. Then maybe a check/fold on the River once I saw that 10 would have been easier.
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05-05-2017 , 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
KK in a 3B pot, 80 bbs eff, overpair OTF. R/C 88 is arguably questionable, but he got lucky.
This looks more like a BB post than a strategy question. I'm not folding the KKs.
He has position on op. Pretty ez call dawg.

Op, if you have trouble in these spots stop take a deep breadth and just think what do I beat that jams that turn? Whats his utg open range?

Against a standard villian utg I can think of lots of hands that crush us here and a few we beat.
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05-06-2017 , 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
KK in a 3B pot, 80 bbs eff, overpair OTF. R/C 88 is arguably questionable, but he got lucky.
This looks more like a BB post than a strategy question. I'm not folding the KKs.
First sentence: I'm a huge proponent of paying attention to the SPR in a hand but just because we have a small spr doesn't mean that we just throw our stack on any flop/turn/river. Sometimes a board runs out so bad that our opponent has enough of a range advantage in a small spr pot that we should fold or in this case, check behind.

Second sentence: It's not a bad beat post. He played it really really bad (no offense OP). He should check behind turn and make a decision on the river. Hero didn't get "unlucky" or have a bad beat. He made two bad decisions and paid for them. There are a few sets out there that people will slowplay some % of the time, there are lots of two pairs, and more than that there are lots of straights.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Bet5BetFold
Could you not check call the turn and evaluate the river?
We have position

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyb23
Thank you for pointing that out. I actually had no thought process. My thought process ended at "He must be bluffing or has a weak hand and wants my pot"

Why am I thinking like this? I seem to have these sort of moments when I am pot committed.
What was your thinking when betting though? It's a pretty bad card. Since it's a very bad card for you and good for him, you should make the decision to b/f if you're going to bet (you shouldn't bet). But you're not pot committed, see above where I mention not being committed because of range disadvantages.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyb23
Yea maybe just checking behind on the turn was a smarter move. Then maybe a check/fold on the River once I saw that 10 would have been easier.
I'm unsure what difference the ten makes. It only pulls 9T ahead of you that called otf. He has no Jacks that call otf except JT which already beat you. That ten is fairly negligible in the grand scheme of his range.

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Originally Posted by turtletom
He has position on op. Pretty ez call dawg.

Op, if you have trouble in these spots stop take a deep breadth and just think what do I beat that jams that turn? Whats his utg open range?

Against a standard villian utg I can think of lots of hands that crush us here and a few we beat.
This is anything but an "ez call dawg". We're going to be 5% or less a good chunk of the time since 87s is likely to raise flop and is two combos anyways. So we're live against the two combos of 98s that he might have.

He also didn't open UTG. Villain is in the small blind while UTG folded preflop.
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05-07-2017 , 05:37 AM
Probably check at some point when SB call open raise and then call 3 bet his range is pretty much 66-TT so he dose have any singe sets on this board and you have none.
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05-07-2017 , 05:53 AM
I would probably check the turn behind for pc on that runout. A lot of his flop calling range has us beat.
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