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Old 02-03-2012, 04:19 PM   #1
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interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    IPoker, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11781742

    BTN: $272.25 (136.1 bb)
    SB: $206 (103 bb)
    BB: $242 (121 bb)
    UTG: $240.05 (120 bb)
    MP: $95 (47.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $435.20 (217.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A 4
    UTG raises to $6, MP folds, Hero calls $6, BTN folds, SB calls $5, BB folds

    Flop: ($20) 7 5 3 (3 players)
    SB bets $15, UTG calls $15, Hero calls $15

    Turn: ($65) A (3 players)
    SB bets $32.50, UTG calls $32.50, Hero calls $32.50

    River: ($162.50) 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $381.70 and is all-in, SB folds, UTG calls $186.55 and is all-in

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    no specific reads on villains but they are your typical aggressive reg.

    good spot to bluff river? what range of hands can i expect to get most players to fold ?
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    Old 02-03-2012, 04:26 PM   #2
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    Why are you bluffing ?? Ck back . You have show down value
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    Old 02-03-2012, 09:26 PM   #3
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    Pre looks too loose, flop looks too loose, you don't have much implied odds since if you hit your hand it will be a one card straight.
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    Old 02-03-2012, 09:40 PM   #4
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    lol, he has a double gutter... flop is obv at least a call.

    id prob just rep a set on flop though and raise as its unlikely you ever get 3b and can get ppl to fold a variety of things by river.

    As played, I dont really love the river jam because there arent really any flushes you can represent other then exactly 89ss, and that would be quite the loose flop peel, and there are also not very many 6's you can represent as I think ud dump 66/67/56 by river at some point, I suppose if you have 56s in your range preflop, which I also think is somewhat unlikely, would be the one main hand you are trying to represent on river.

    Given all this, and your decent amount of showdown value, id just check and hope to win a good % of the time.
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    Old 02-03-2012, 09:53 PM   #5
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    I somehow missed it was a double gutter, though I stand by my view the implied odds aren't great and that the flop is better played raise or fold.
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    Old 02-04-2012, 05:40 PM   #6
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

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    lol, he has a double gutter... flop is obv at least a call.

    id prob just rep a set on flop though and raise as its unlikely you ever get 3b and can get ppl to fold a variety of things by river.

    As played, I dont really love the river jam because there arent really any flushes you can represent other then exactly 89ss, and that would be quite the loose flop peel, and there are also not very many 6's you can represent as I think ud dump 66/67/56 by river at some point, I suppose if you have 56s in your range preflop, which I also think is somewhat unlikely, would be the one main hand you are trying to represent on river.

    Given all this, and your decent amount of showdown value, id just check and hope to win a good % of the time.
    agree. and with him having a 5 of spades thats a blocker to 65s that is a big part i guess of what im representing, along with straights. At the same time, theres not many hands that I will call flop and turn and then shove as a bluff on this river so i guess its hard for the villains to put me on a bluff here, because I'm not calling turn light. To be honest, I'd expect more regulars to fold hands like 55 here against me which is why i thought it would be a good bluff.
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    Old 02-05-2012, 06:15 AM   #7
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    The reasons he checked 55 was to get you to turn a hand like AJdd or TT into a bluff, since you're almost never winning by checking back and to allow you to value bet a worse hand, like two pair.

    He thinks betting again into the two of you would look so strong that your value-betting-when-checked-to range (in addition to the hands you turn into a bluff) is wider than the range that calls if he shoves 55. He is thinking that by checking he gets money in with the best hand more often than betting would.
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    Old 02-05-2012, 02:55 PM   #8
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    I'm really surprised no one except drsmooth has said anything about pre. It's a fold, imo.
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    Old 02-05-2012, 06:18 PM   #9
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

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    I'm really surprised no one except drsmooth has said anything about pre. It's a fold, imo.
    No exceptions? We're 120X deep, villain is only raising 3X and the OP contains no information on him.
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    Old 02-05-2012, 10:14 PM   #10
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    clearly cant fold flop. dunno about pre, would be fine with it if you had some info/reads/aims. +1 to adam on raise flop. river is spew.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 01:03 PM   #11
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

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    lol, he has a double gutter... flop is obv at least a call.

    id prob just rep a set on flop though and raise as its unlikely you ever get 3b and can get ppl to fold a variety of things by river.

    As played, I dont really love the river jam because there arent really any flushes you can represent other then exactly 89ss, and that would be quite the loose flop peel, and there are also not very many 6's you can represent as I think ud dump 66/67/56 by river at some point, I suppose if you have 56s in your range preflop, which I also think is somewhat unlikely, would be the one main hand you are trying to represent on river.

    Given all this, and your decent amount of showdown value, id just check and hope to win a good % of the time.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 02:40 PM   #12
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    Re: interesting river decision 3 way pot.

    I like the play if the 4 isn't a spade.
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