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Going all-in on the turn or calling? Going all-in on the turn or calling?

02-16-2017 , 11:29 PM
I think did nothing wrong until the turn. But I think my all-in raise on the turn was very bad maybe even minus EV. What do you guys think?


Hand Information
, 1 BB (5 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 seat 1 ($100) Small Blind
Seat: 3 seat 3 ($100) Big Blind
Seat: 5 seat 5 ($100)
Seat: 7 hero ($99)
Seat: 9 seat 9 ($100) Dealer
Dealt to hero
**

Preflop (Pot:1.5)
seat 5****CALL
hero****CALL
seat 9****CALL
seat 1****CALL $-0.5

Flop(Pot: $5)
***

seat 1****CHECK
seat 3****CHECK
seat 5****CHECK
hero****BET $2
seat 9****FOLD
seat 1****FOLD
seat 3****RAISE $11
seat 5****FOLD
hero****CALL

Turn(Pot: $26)
****

seat 3****BET $27
hero****ALL-IN
seat 3****CALL

River(Pot: $166)
*****

Showdown:
hero MUCKS

seat 3 MUCKS

hero**wins the pot: $166

Last edited by MyDogIsOnTheRoof; 02-16-2017 at 11:35 PM.
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02-17-2017 , 05:43 AM
It's not minus EV (it will only be minus EV if his ONLY calling hand is 34, and he'll always call with 22), but calling the turn is a better option. You'll almost always have the best hand here, he won't ever have KK, and the chance that he has 34 is very small. If he has 22 you'll able to get his entire stack anyways unless the 3 or 4 of clubs comes on the river.

The board becomes more drawheavy on the turn, and it sucks if he has a draw and gets there, since you have to pay him off in such cases. But the loss in such cases is more than made up for in cases where he's bluffing/(semibluffing and misses the river) and fires that third bullet.
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02-17-2017 , 04:08 PM
Jam turn is the most +EV play; it's not close. Iso pre. Any decent reg is going to isolate these limp plays with a wide range, esp IP

I dont understand how you think this play is -EV. He pretty much never has 43 here or KK
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02-17-2017 , 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minatorr
Jam turn is the most +EV play; it's not close. Iso pre. Any decent reg is going to isolate these limp plays with a wide range, esp IP

I dont understand how you think this play is -EV. He pretty much never has 43 here or KK
Why would it be more profitable to shove turn instead of calling?
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02-18-2017 , 07:01 AM
When he x/r a 5-way pot, he has at least two pair always. When he overbets the turn, he's just going with his hand most of the time. If the board pairs or brings 4 to a straight, he's judt x/folding his BB specials (K6s/K6o). we cant stack 22 if the river brings 4 to a straight. He's just not bluffing here so just jamming it in is much better than calling down
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