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06-21-2017 , 09:44 PM
Hello all, this is my first post here.

This hand happened today in a 2-5 live game.

Mid position open raised to $25, button called, I hold A9, and 3 bet to $85 from SB for a squeeze. Original raiser called, and button folds.

Flop: J95 I c-bet $90, MP raised to $300, at this point it's about $800 effective, so about 1.5 SPR. I decided to go all in, MP snap called. Turn and river bricked and MP shows pocket jacks to take the pot.

Did I do anything wrong this hand? The squeeze from SB preflop, and the 3 bet jam on the flop?

Also I usually play my draws, especially combo draws or draws with a pair very aggressively, not being afraid to go all in on the flop if the SPR is less than 2. Is this a profitable strategy in the long run?

Thanks in advance!
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06-21-2017 , 10:23 PM
3betting with A9off out of position into 2 players so deep has negative EV
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06-21-2017 , 10:36 PM
I normally don't do this, but my intention was to get folds and just pick up the $55 in the middle preflop, I was going to shut down very quickly if I don't flop anything good if called. I squeeze every now and then with A/K blockers.
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06-21-2017 , 11:12 PM
What do you think he is raise folding flop with
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06-21-2017 , 11:39 PM
Not sure if my line of thought is correct, but I think my flop bet and sizing looks like a standard C-bet, perhaps with AK, my opponent could easily had an overpair with a diamond, which could fold to my all in.

I didn't think calling there was an option, so would it be better to just have folded to the raise?

Thanks!
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06-23-2017 , 07:48 AM
I agree it's very likely that Villain raise/folds QdQx on the flop...
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06-24-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Numpkin
I normally don't do this, but my intention was to get folds and just pick up the $55 in the middle preflop, I was going to shut down very quickly if I don't flop anything good if called. I squeeze every now and then with A/K blockers.
At least do it with suited A's.
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06-25-2017 , 09:27 AM
Fold pre, check flop
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06-28-2017 , 03:36 PM
Squeeze is not my favorite but ok. Playing draws aggressively in many spots is fine and good. In this case, he isn't bluffraising you on the flop and isn't folding to the jam so shoving isn't good. Check on this flop is way better than betting.
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06-29-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fireshield
3betting with A9off out of position into 2 players so deep has negative EV
Isn't the ideal time to 3! light when stacks are deep and you'll have more leverage with (potentially big) flop, turn and river bets?

This isn't intended to be snarky. I am just starting to incorporate 3! light and thought that deeper stacks was ideal.
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06-30-2017 , 11:56 AM
Not alot of value betting flop
Might get a call from AK or KQ with a diamond or a call from 66-88 with diamond but we don't give alot up letting them see another card anyway.
Alot of his hands we're ahead of have only 1-4 outs.

Check for me.
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07-01-2017 , 10:41 PM
Newb here to reply to another newb (hi all by the way!).

My vote knowing nothing else about how you had been playing and the general play of the opponent would be to check-call the flop to at least see the turn. If the turn bricks you can check-call again, it may go check check, or you can check-fold. Long term if you're trying to hit the flush on the river I believe you're ~20ish% to get there so jamming on the flop is probably a bad strategy long term.

For convo sake, though, if you jammed to either A) Push him off a hand because of a read you had the he was weak or B) Because you like to gamble then go for it! But that deep you have to be ready to lose 2-3 times out of every 1 win if/when the flush comes in.

I like the 3-bet to isolate down to one opponent though so that worked on the upside.
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07-10-2017 , 07:11 PM
Off suit low aces are garbage hands. As played, check flop.
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07-12-2017 , 10:07 PM
Pre: I like a larger sizing for the 3bet, given that you're out of position (my preflop bets are pretty standardized based on position, so I'm going to be raising this much from early position with bluffs and premium hands). Around $115. Your first consideration should be "does this stand a reasonable chance of getting everyone to fold?" If it doesn't, don't make the play. If I'm the PFR, there are a variety of hands I'm going to call an extra $60 with in position, including pretty much all suited connectors. Once he calls, the button is getting 3:1, so he's likely to call as well. Now you're in a bloated pot with a marginal holding out of position.

Flop: On the plus side, you're way ahead of Villain's range here. On the other hand, there are very few hands that you have an equity edge on that will call your bet.

I put V's range on all the suited connectors 65s-KQs, about half the suited Aces, 88-QQ, AQs, and AK. Out of the 32 suited connectors the only ones you are beating (equity-wise) that call are JT and QJ (6 combinations). Most of the suited aces are worthless, though maybe AJs calls (3 combinations). All the diamonds are crushing you. Everything else folds except maybe AK with the Kd. If you get called, you're pretty much hoping that he has QQ, AJ, or AK with the Kd. Everything else has you crushed.

For that reason, even though I like being aggressive with pair+NFD's, I don't see a whole lot of value betting here.

Once he raises, his range gets super narrow, and you're beating pretty much none of it. Basically, you're hoping he has QQ with a diamond, or got out of line with AK with the Kd. When you jam, you'll get the latter to fold, but the former very well could call. Everything else is snapping you off. For that reason, I don't particularly like jamming.

What about calling? You're getting 2.8:1, and it's gonna be tough to continue unless you hit the turn. Your implied odds aren't great, considering most of his hands don't have a large diamond in them. Not a fan of calling either.

Only thing left is to fold. I don't like it, but the other options are worse, unfortunately.
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