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04-29-2015 , 12:18 PM
Here's a 2-5 hand from the Aria. Stacks are deep (>1k) except maybe me who has 900. I have stolen/won a bunch of small pots lately but I am sure I still have a nitty image. I'm on the button with KsQh; 3 limpers to me on button. I raise to 30. Everyone calls including blinds. Pot is 150 with 5 to the flop.

Flop is QcQsJs giving me trips with decent kicker and runner flush draw. Checks around to me. I bet 100 and get a tank call in hijack. Cutoff folds.

Turn is 5s putting 3rd spade on board and giving me a fd. Pot is 350.
Villain fidgets and tanks and comes up with a donk bet of 150. I just call making pot 650.

River is offsuit 7. Villain again takes his time and bets out 250. Hero?

Should I have raised the turn ? How to interpret villain's turn bet?

Villain seems screwy and somewhat loose with a huge pot going his way a bit earlier. He had maybe 2.5k.
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04-29-2015 , 04:48 PM
Snap call unless read says otherwise. Can't raise turn because no worse hand calls you and very few (well maybe some bad flushes) better hands fold. If you bet more on the flop, you can likely force out flush draws so the turn isn't so scary, making your call on the turn (or bet if he checks to you) that much easier.

Turn bet may just be a float bet to get you off of your hand, potential trips, flush, boat, etc. note: he doesn't have AQ - likely would have bet out, so if he has a queen you are ether ahead or way behind (less likely). If you put him on a flush, eval whether he is capable of folding to a turn shove. If you put him on the flush you are getting just less than what you need, so eval if you can get another ~100 if you fill up. Since you have the Ks, it makes the turn call much easier.

On river, simple equity calculation whether you call - he probably does this with any trips, boat, better flushes (maybe) - need a read here to decide, but as I said, I'd probably snap call

Last edited by bernsten69; 04-29-2015 at 05:02 PM.
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04-30-2015 , 11:27 AM
It's the small donk size that seems to weaken his range.

He turns over a 7 for a rivered full house.
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05-02-2015 , 09:31 AM
Ugh, need to win 21%+ of the time to call. Super weird hand because of the tank call. It makes me believe we can discount flushes a little.

I think the hand is played fine up until the river (we can't raise turn).

We led 5 ways, we have the world in our range, and villain is still leading into us after a scare cards hits the turn (assuming he has QT, Qx in his range that we actually beat).

Honestly we are at the bottom of our range in this spot. I think it's just a fold, easier said than done though.
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05-16-2015 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by enhanceyouredge
Ugh, need to win 21%+ of the time to call. Super weird hand because of the tank call. It makes me believe we can discount flushes a little.

I think the hand is played fine up until the river (we can't raise turn).

We led 5 ways, we have the world in our range, and villain is still leading into us after a scare cards hits the turn (assuming he has QT, Qx in his range that we actually beat).

Honestly we are at the bottom of our range in this spot. I think it's just a fold, easier said than done though.
fold?are you seriously?

ks block many flush draw combos in vallain's range, I will raise the
Turn.
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05-18-2015 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Menton
Here's a 2-5 hand from the Aria. Stacks are deep (>1k) except maybe me who has 900. I have stolen/won a bunch of small pots lately but I am sure I still have a nitty image. I'm on the button with KsQh; 3 limpers to me on button. I raise to 30. Everyone calls including blinds. Pot is 150 with 5 to the flop.

Flop is QcQsJs giving me trips with decent kicker and runner flush draw. Checks around to me. I bet 100 and get a tank call in hijack. Cutoff folds.

Turn is 5s putting 3rd spade on board and giving me a fd. Pot is 350.
Villain fidgets and tanks and comes up with a donk bet of 150. I just call making pot 650.

River is offsuit 7. Villain again takes his time and bets out 250. Hero?

Should I have raised the turn ? How to interpret villain's turn bet?

Villain seems screwy and somewhat loose with a huge pot going his way a bit earlier. He had maybe 2.5k.

1. He hit the flush and he wanted you to raise or an AsJx.

2. I would call as well, not raise.

3. River seems like a value bet to me. Tough decision. I fold.
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05-18-2015 , 02:12 AM
i don't play live that often but isn't a 6bb raise with that many limpers super unlikely to narrow the field, which you want to do with this hand and this stack depth?
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05-19-2015 , 01:57 PM
agree 6bb not gonna do it with KQo, make it 10x at least as once ONE player calls they will all always call.

I think you lose to QJ/JJ/Axss a very very large % of the time given description and the pot being 5 ways.
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05-21-2015 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bernsten69
On river, simple equity calculation whether you call - he probably does this with any trips, boat, better flushes (maybe) - need a read here to decide, but as I said, I'd probably snap call
What is a "better flush" in this situation?
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05-21-2015 , 03:11 PM
Bigger pre. Super annoying live spot. They always seem to show up with a **** flush here but he's not folding that to a raise. I always convince myself they can show up with worse qx, call, and get shown a 62ss or something like that
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05-25-2015 , 04:26 PM
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"Turn is 5s putting 3rd spade on board and giving me a fd. Pot is 350.
Villain fidgets and tanks and comes up with a donk bet of 150. I just call making pot 650."
he is doing this with boats, flushes, fd, fd+sd, trips with no fd....ur call is good (his donk is unusual and would suggest by its size that you have problems, issues to think about, in this specific spot when getting to river)

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"River is offsuit 7. Villain again takes his time and bets out 250. Hero?"
--he shouldn't be betting here often but when he does ur screwed.
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05-28-2015 , 01:11 AM
+1

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05-28-2015 , 05:31 AM
Pre Bigger

Flop ok

Turn ok...raising should be bad

River snapcall given the odds....Could sometimes be a random bluff or a worse Q even a hand like AsJx could be possible with that 2 tiny bets. You can never fold here given the betsizing.
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05-28-2015 , 09:01 AM
Good point on the bet sizing. I +1d the post above as I was considering a race, but you are right, with that bet sizing it is probably +EV to call.

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