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Old 05-01-2017, 09:15 PM   #1
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Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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Utg+2 opens to 20$ 3 callers and V 1500$ ( good LAG, knows the game and its a good thinker player) calls in The BU, Hero $1150 on the bb with A♥️A♠️ 3 bets to 130$ everyone folds and V snap calls on the BU, we already had some history on previous hands when i was straddling and he raised and tripple barrel me with air on the flop and flush draw on the turn and got there on the river with me having top pair.
So the flop is 9♣️9♦️3♣️, hero bets 160$ and V calls. Turn is 2♦️and i planned to check call if he bets to pot control and he did bet 170$ which made me think that he either has a pair 88s throught JJ or some kind of draw and wants me to get off Ak or AQ type of hands, so i put on a raise because i didnt wanted to see any diamond or club on the river so raised to 420$ and he jams on me for 400$ more.
What do you do here? Do you call off the jam? What is V range here based on how the hand played out?
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:01 PM   #2
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

Call

I would of just called turn and check called river.

I would range him on TT+ if he is good, maybe a 9 but he shouldn't be calling a 3bet OOP if he is good.
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:01 PM   #3
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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Call

I would of just called turn and check called river.

I would range him on TT+ if he is good, maybe a 9 but he shouldn't be calling a 3bet OOP if he is good.
Huh..? It's very standard to have a flatting range vs a 3-bet OOP. Why are people advocating a 4-bet or fold game OOP? Never heard of a solid reg or pro who does not flat 3-bets OOP.
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:02 PM   #4
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

OP, I'd just triple barrel this runout on a blank river. You have quite a bit of bluffs that want to continue here and put pressure on his underpairs and weak overpairs, or rabdom floats
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:59 PM   #5
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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Call

I would of just called turn and check called river.

I would range him on TT+ if he is good, maybe a 9 but he shouldn't be calling a 3bet OOP if he is good.
1) TT+ is a terrible range to give him imo. He flatted an early position raise with 3 callers. Maybe TT but surely JJ+ would be 3betting pre fairly often.

2) A 9 shouldn't be calling a 3bet OOP? He is not OOP, he is on the button. And also as someone else has pointed out you need a flatting range OOP and hands like T9, 89, 97, J9 suited can fit in nicely.

OP: I don't see any reason not to just take the standard route and bet, bet, bet. C/R turn seems bad to me because it puts you in this horrible spot. What is he bluffing with? Is he really 3bet jamming FD's on a paired board?

I think his range is mostly 9's and low to middle PP's although I don't see too many people 3bet jamming with hands like 88 here(what's the motivation?). As played with the odds you're getting it's a call for me but you're probably not gonna like what you see
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Old 05-06-2017, 03:54 AM   #6
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

I would call at that point because I'm committed already after I make the x/r. However I'm also a bad player who hates getting bluffed. How can villian bluff here when he knows you're committed? Let's say you x/c turn, then try to x/c river for SDV. What do you do if he jams? You've still got about half of what's left of your stack so you're not committed yet and you face a tough decision.

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Old 05-10-2017, 09:48 AM   #7
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

Why raise to only 130 pre? Think this has to be closer to 200.

Also agree with most that you should just keep firing away on flop, turn and river.

As played, I think u have to call here
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:53 PM   #8
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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I would of just called turn and check called river.

I would range him on TT+ if he is good, maybe a 9 but he shouldn't be calling a 3bet OOP if he is good.

Well actually he was on the BU, at first i made up i was C/C the turn to keep his bluff in but i know hes capable of bluffing with Any flushdraw or hes betting any pair on this board, so pretty much i raised the turn to end the hand rigjt there because i didnt want to see a scary card on the river and maybe get bluff off my hand
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:56 PM   #9
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I would call at that point because I'm committed already after I make the x/r. However I'm also a bad player who hates getting bluffed. How can villian bluff here when he knows you're committed? Let's say you x/c turn, then try to x/c river for SDV. What do you do if he jams? You've still got about half of what's left of your stack so you're not committed yet and you face a tough decision.

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When he jams its very hard to put a bluff on his range but i was pot commited after the bad raise i made on the turn, but it was very hard for to put him on a 9 9 on that board or 33, usually table dynamic is pretty tight and when some1 3 bets to this sizing its almost always a big hand.
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Old 05-15-2017, 02:27 PM   #10
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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When he jams its very hard to put a bluff on his range but i was pot commited after the bad raise i made on the turn, but it was very hard for to put him on a 9 9 on that board or 33, usually table dynamic is pretty tight and when some1 3 bets to this sizing its almost always a big hand.
You are never pot committed if people only show up with better hands here. Not saying they do, just saying calling it off because of poor spr play on previous streets might end up losing you more money.

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Old 05-15-2017, 08:34 PM   #11
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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You are never pot committed if people only show up with better hands here. Not saying they do, just saying calling it off because of poor spr play on previous streets might end up losing you more money.

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Right, we're trying to decide if villian would ever bluff in this spot with a FD if villian knows hero is pot committed at this point. You want to jam with draws if you think villian would fold a decent percentage of the time not the other way around. Whatever equity villian had in the flop is now cut in half on the turn assuming he had a draw. The way this played out in my mind, villian has a 9.
I also don't have enough information on villian. Like what he thinks of hero's image. What is villians 3 bet calling range?

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Old 05-15-2017, 08:41 PM   #12
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

I'm curious to know what happened btw...

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Old 05-17-2017, 11:06 PM   #13
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Well actually he was on the BU, at first i made up i was C/C the turn to keep his bluff in but i know hes capable of bluffing with Any flushdraw or hes betting any pair on this board, so pretty much i raised the turn to end the hand rigjt there because i didnt want to see a scary card on the river and maybe get bluff off my hand
Hi, i think your raising on the turn doesnt achieve anything. when hes got flush draw, he doesnt have the right price to see the river because of his turn betsize. and if he misses on the river, you got the nice value. if he gets there, you can fold there easily. i know you got aces, you r happy, and it's mentally tough to fold.
when you bet, you should want to make the opponent give up the better hand, or let the weaker hand along.
in this situation, you want to get the weaker hand(flush draw) down, even he doesnt have the right price. also, when you raise and get re-raised, you are on the tough situation. you have no idea whether the opponent has the real hand, oro air.
As everybody says, betting turn is fine, but once you check the turn, no raising, calling is fine.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:31 AM   #14
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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Utg+2 opens to 20$ 3 callers and V 1500$ ( good LAG, knows the game and its a good thinker player) calls in The BU, Hero $1150 on the bb with A♥️A♠️ 3 bets to 130$ everyone folds and V snap calls on the BU, we already had some history on previous hands when i was straddling and he raised and tripple barrel me with air on the flop and flush draw on the turn and got there on the river with me having top pair.
So the flop is 9♣️9♦️3♣️, hero bets 160$ and V calls. Turn is 2♦️and i planned to check call if he bets to pot control and he did bet 170$ which made me think that he either has a pair 88s throught JJ or some kind of draw and wants me to get off Ak or AQ type of hands, so i put on a raise because i didnt wanted to see any diamond or club on the river so raised to 420$ and he jams on me for 400$ more.
What do you do here? Do you call off the jam? What is V range here based on how the hand played out?
As played, obviously call. What did he have?
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:18 AM   #15
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

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Well actually he was on the BU, at first i made up i was C/C the turn to keep his bluff in but i know hes capable of bluffing with Any flushdraw or hes betting any pair on this board, so pretty much i raised the turn to end the hand rigjt there because i didnt want to see a scary card on the river and maybe get bluff off my hand
Oh - well I'm still not folding in this spot, kind of sucks if we lose but we beat enough hands to call.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:08 PM   #16
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Re: Facing a tough decition with AA 200 bb deep

You had a reasonable plan and then changed it to "let me shovel in a ton of chips oop on a paired board against a good opponent with no plan for when he jams on me."
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