People i am about to quit trying...i'm playing online almost a year and i just CAN'T WIN ... i play the right hands from the right position i value bet i am raising to protect my hands i am trying to do my best but i can't win.
I play live 2/5 and i win ...i play online 25NL 50NL 100NL and i lose..
My problem is the i can't lay down a monster hand because some jackass made a full or quads on the river...i just can't...i had top set turned to full house and the other guy made quads ...3 times last night!!!
Tonight i said i will try for the last time..i made a deposit and i was tight...15/15 A's crushed by set of 4's K's crushed by two pair AK (2 pairs) crushed by flush on the river and straight nuts crushed by low flush, full house chrushed by quads and the most anoying of all i hit quads and lost by a flush straight on the river...
Either i am the unluckiest person on earth or i am doing something wrong...
I tryied to play from another account and i tottaly chrushed 25NL 50NL & 100NL we made a 100eu deposit at 13:00 and by 22:00 turned it to 1000.
Guys i know i am playing good because i know a guy who used to be a pro and we play live together and we talk about the hands i play...this guy is a monster he used to play 60 tables and he was 5 years Supernova Elite his cash outs only from Pokerstars are 4.000.000+ ... he alslo believes that pokerstars is NOT rigged and he did him self an extensive research for this.
WHAT SHOULD I DO????? Some of you may call my a calling station but i am not...i am not calling with crup or with the wrong odds or out of position or with marginal hands ...It's so frustrating

Is this some kind of a sick twisted troll post?

no dude i am pissed off ... bad beat after bad beat and this drives me crazy and then i tilt and i play like maniac!
When i am not tilted i make profit, after i get couple of really insane bad beats i tilt and i am just doing things that i am not doing normally kuje hero calls even though i know i am behind etc ... my main problem is the tilt factor

I'm curious which one it is. Which do you think it is?

To put it bluntly, for your own sake:

Your post fails to acknoledge certain rather obvious realities of poker, which make it pretty obvious to me that you're simply not good enough to win at any of the aforementioned stakes.

Most notably, that it is much, much harder to be a winner online than it is live, even at a tenth of the stakes.

Also, that it takes more than being rivered or sucked out on a lot to turn a winning player into a losing one.

Also that you should mention a sample size when starting such a thread, and that it's really odd that you'd be playing 25, 50 and 100. A serious player would start by beating 25 on a large sample, then move on.

Finally, whoever you're playing with live who tells you he's cashed out $4M from PokerStars, and as such can vouch for you being a good player is either:
- A liar. As would him playing 2/5 live testify.
- Some guy who's an utter has-been when it comes to playing online poker in its current state, and simply made the most of the early 2000's golden goose.


You're simply not good enough to beat online tables consistently. You may not necessarily be a bad player, especially compared to the average live player, but you obviously has no idea what it takes. We're way past "selecting my hands well from the right position", even at 25 NL, even at 10NL. And the hands you report to your buddy may well all be very well played, but more often than not it's hard to butcher huge pots. Most of the skill of a winning poker player comes from the spots that you probably dont pay any attention to.

thanks for responding dude...so the guy is well known to the online poker community and he also plays live...the reason he plays 2/5 live is because this is the main game in the area we live but we play it like 5/10 because we all start with 1000 stack so it's actually 5/10 and not 2/5 ...i could tell you his name but it will not be appropriate he is also coaching people very selectively and some of the best online players are his students...anyways this is not are point...i do crush 2nl 5nl 10nl 16nl 25nl 50nl 100nl and i also took some shots to 200nl and i didn't fail also my main problem is the tilt factor...i am tilting way to much i lose my focus and start playing like maniac...i don't have any leaks except this, i am asking for help to solve this problem because i really like the game...offcourse when i started playing 9 months ago i was not able to win but i was break even or marginal loser...i have sessions where i play 2X50NL ZOOM and both tables are 500bb deep after 4 hours...then when i get couple of insane bad beats i get mad and play like maniac and offcourse i lose my stack and my bankroll is whiped out in a couple of days and i need to reload again..i am not saying that i am an awesome player but i am not an average player also..if we where playing together you could see for your self that i am not bad at all...as i said before my only and main problem is that i am not able to lay down monster hands after i tilt...i am watching hands after the sessions and this is where i lose money, i am tilting and i am playing like crazy i have a monster hand and by miracle on the river i am behind...i can see and i know i am behind but still i am making the call because i am pissed off.
Please what should i do to fix this???? Is there any way fix it???
When i am calm i can beat even 200nl as i said before i have played before 200nl 5 or 6 times for couple of hours and i didn't lose i made a profit,actually every single time i was above 250bb deep...there are times that i think 100nl and 200nl are very similar with the live games i play because people think and they do not shove their stacks for 1 out or 2 , bluffs are more easy in this limits because they do not call so easy, also they think about your betting pattern and the board and they are acting accordingly so you can hide your hand or represent power, staff like this in 25nl are not working at all ... you may cold call flop turn for a flush and on the river you make the flush and they call so it is almost impossible to bluff representing a flush...or they keep calling for a gutshot and they hit their gutshot on the river even though you overbet flop and turn ...this thing is driving me crazy...should i go play higher or quit playing???
I can do this for you to see for your self ...i could play 2X2nl zoom with only 4eu and reach 2 tables of 100nl with only 4eu ever time i double up a go to biger table...i did this to check my skills and i've made it...so it's not skill problem it's tilting...please help me to fix this.
Thanks to any answer guys

Dealing with tilt is part of the game. If you can't handle the downswings then poker isn't for you.

Honestly dude, you have to find a way to combat the tilt. Just based purely on your writing in this thread it sounds to me like you have emotional issues that you might need to work on in several aspects of your life and not just in poker.

If something "bad" happens to you, is your first response frustration or anger? Because if losing a hand of poker creates that kind of an emotional response from you, this game seriously isn't for you. Either find a way to deal with it and remove it from your game, or continue down a losing path in poker for the rest of your life.

Just to give you some perspective - to be a good poker player you need to learn how to lose - a LOT. Big hands clash with other big hands all the time and being on the losing end of it is going to happen to you somewhere close to 50% of the time when they do. And on a regular basis, when you have a big starting hand, it is also going to get run over by garbage by the river. Somehow you have to wrap your mind around that and be able to repeatedly take the punishment of losing without letting it get inside your head. There isn't really an easy way to learn this other than controlling your emotional response EVERY time you lose a hand and recognizing it when it happens. If all you feel is anger when you lose, find another game where skill wins all the time. Poker is gambling (despite the obvious skill element), but the skill part is not always rewarded.

As a final suggestion, you may want to read up on ensuring you have an adequate bankroll for the stakes that you are playing so that losing part of it in one hand doesn't seem like a big deal.

wow, i actually think redbaron would not even make that statement.

anyway
playing poker with a tilted mindset and calling down big bets when you should know you are beat... that is actually a pretty big leak.
you don't get points or money for knowing would you are supposed to do. in poker you get money for first: figuring out what would be the best play , second: actually make the best play.

my advice, you can not change or influence which cards a dealt. you know what you can influence? anything else. do not focus on your bad luck. focus on your performance. did you play the hand perfectly fine? did you have to call that river bet? should you have been playing being tilt?
if you want to get paid playing poker you should understand you are getting paid for finding the most profitable decision in every situation and stick to it.
raging about bad luck and making bad decisions is not part of your job description.

find your love for the game again. enjoy playing the game and stop worrieng about the result.