Hey everyone,

I've been posting a ton about everyone else's hands, so I figured I'd post a fun spot to start some critical thinking and discussion.

If you're interested, I made a quick review of the hand history that you can find in the TwoPlusTwo Video forum at this URL Video of how hand played out.


5 Players
Stacks:
UTG ($200) 100bb
CO ($140.50) 70bb
BTN ($199) 100bb
SB ($320.02) 160bb
Hero (BB) ($871.52) 436bb

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB 6 6
2 folds, BTN raises to $4, SB raises to $18, Hero calls $16, BTN folds

Flop: 3 5 A ($40, 2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: 3 ($76, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $52, SB calls $52

River: 4 ($180, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $104, SB folds

Final Pot: $180

Hero wins $386 (net +$194)

BTN lost $4
SB lost $88


Final Pot: $180

Hero wins $386 (net +$194)


With what type of range do you guys like a cold call here?

How about a cold four-bet given that SB might call us a bit wider given stack sizes and button may shove wider since our value range may appear more polarized in a spot that seems "good" to cold four-bet bluff?

well first thanks for posting so detailed analysis in other threads I appreciate it,

back to the hand I like your call here if the 3bettor was a fish (to set mine, we are deep here) or a reg who you know something about his plays in 3b pots. If thats not the case i'd rather turn it into a bluff and use a SC or Ax rather than a pair by 4betting.

I see you didn't include player notes/history which creates a bit confusion.

Button was opening loosely and calling a decent amount of three-bets, maybe 35%.

SB is an active regular capable of having a wide range of hands for value like KJ/AT/99.

... GOOD CALL!

Why overbet pot on River? It pretty much looks like bluff

you tried the same [ ]

I feel like the people who take your preflop line will do so with very, very variable ranges, and thus the spectrum of responses opponents will have to these ranges will also be extremely diverse. It seems next to impossible to discuss the merits of this play without accounting for one's 4betting game and broader image. If you're seen as especially willing to get into non-standard situations in general and put a lot of pressure on people who are less willing, could it be possible that an observant opponent will take the line he did with his entire range, and never fold river once he calls turn?

preflop is significantly different between these two hands and even the Axxxx paired boards are fairly different. while you rep more value combos, you are probably given credit for many more potential bluffs. potentially most important, you've provided zero information on your own image and on his.

shootaa has explained his thinking behind this spot in fairly explicit detail. looking at another spot and glossing over great differences is a mistake.

post flop play is awful. just got lucky that your opponent didn't barrel you off TT and that he didnt have Ax which they almost always have since no one ever c/c a pair lower than Ax.

pretty funny shootaa actually posts a situation for a real discussion and some douchenozzle hijacks the thread on the third reply and with a hand that is not even remotely the same. gtfo

Care to elaborate?

Think implied odds + float.

Not that i agree but i think his point is that your cold calling range is perceived to have a lot more middle pocket pairs vs Ax hands and if villain was good he would have barreled a lot to get you to fold all of your pairs less than Ax making the flop float pretty bad with only 2 possible outs to improve

You are calling absolute bottom of your perceived range so either you are a retard or Villain is by ever bluffing here.
I mean it just can't be part of anything remotely similar to balanced strategy. You hand also desn't remove any of his more valueable combos. KQoff would be better here.

Yeah I agree with this. Most villains perceive you to cold 4b a lot of Ax hands, and see your calling range here more to hands like KQs/KJs, JTs and some lower pp's etc...

Overall, I'm not the biggest fan of calling low pp's here unless button really is going to call a ton, or SB is going to be exploitable postflop. If he has a lot of AJ/KQ and 99+ hands then IMO calling 66 becomes even worse because he can hit a ton of overcards but his range is also going to include a lot of overpairs so unless you hit a 6 you're not really going to be too happy on any runout, hence why SB needs to be exploitable, or BTN has to call a lot so it's profitable to setmine.

BTN coming along is usually quite bad for us because we are forced to play a lot more straightforward postflop due to our bad relative position(and i doubt we can just setmine profitably)

that is a good point cashy