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Old 02-08-2012, 05:55 AM   #1
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ATo Nl400 river check raise

Hi, this is my second post here I would be really appreciated if someone can answer

My pre flop call is really bad, vs tight villian CO range 24%, and vs 2 midstacks on blinds.

Villian has cbet on flop 78 on turn 58 and on river 68, x/r river 20%, small sample 2,5k hands only, WWSF 52, W$SD 45, we dont have dynamics he plays only nl400+, me nl200, He probably perceived me like ordinary reg.

Flop i turn are prolly standard, sometimes I could think about raising on turn.
On the river he knows that I have Ax most of the time and missed FD, so only way to just fold my bluff catcher is by x/r river so maybe I could call here?

I have a bit of problem on nl200 with general thinking in ranges, how to construct appropriate ranges for calling, raising,folding, I would like to know that someone has a good advice how to improve that?

I apologize for my bad english and thanks for answer!



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    BB: $193.15 (48.3 bb)
    MP: $166.95 (41.7 bb)
    CO: $430.95 (107.7 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $425.50 (106.4 bb)
    SB: $150 (37.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T A
    MP folds, CO raises to $9, Hero calls $9, 2 folds

    Flop: ($24) A 8 J (2 players)
    CO bets $16, Hero calls $16

    Turn: ($56) T (2 players)
    CO bets $32, Hero calls $32

    River: ($120) 6 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $92, CO raises to $373.95 and is all-in




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    Old 02-08-2012, 05:58 AM   #2
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    How is pre-flop bad? I would fold as played, because this is a spot where people are not bluffing enough and thus weighted towards value hands.

    How to construct ranges? Play a lot of hands and pay attention
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    Old 02-08-2012, 06:08 AM   #3
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    How is pre-flop bad? I would fold as played, because this is a spot where people are not bluffing enough and thus weighted towards value hands.

    How to construct ranges? Play a lot of hands and pay attention
    My problem is grinding, just open 9 tables and play without deep thinking, I can't
    free onself.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 08:16 AM   #4
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    Less tables, more focus
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    Old 02-08-2012, 08:16 AM   #5
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    I would fold here. I can't see him bluffing too often or shoving two lower pair...

    To your other question: force yourself to play less tables (perhaps only 2 at the very beginning) and try to think more about your play
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    Old 02-08-2012, 01:30 PM   #6
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    I think villain expects you to check down on river and to him, your river betting range is more weighted towards missed draws. My main observations on this hand are:

    1) If villain was very strong, he would value bet river, because he doesn't expect a bet from you to c/r
    2) Villain has a hand that probably has some showdown value, that he is now turning into a bluff because your hand is underrepped.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 01:34 PM   #7
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    Don't really expect people to make this play for value or as a bluff really, so not too sure what to make of it. On balance I probably fold, because I just think he's more likely to barrel the river as a bluff than go for the c/r.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 04:15 PM   #8
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    My problem is grinding, just open 9 tables and play without deep thinking, I can't
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    Try 4 tabling without a HUD for a while. No internet browsing, TV, or distracting music and pay close attention even to hands you are not involved in. Fold river.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 07:10 PM   #9
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    call, see QJss and take the monies.

    his turnbetszise is so weak.
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    Old 02-09-2012, 12:07 PM   #10
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    call, see QJss and take the monies.
    well this is just one combo

    why would he c/r the River with that hand.. we dont really bet here for thin Value. We pobl. have just a good amount of bluffcatchers in our range that'll check back the River and some slowplayed stuff that will b/c obv.

    I dont think we beat his Valuerange (AJ/88+) but he could obv do this with a madehand as a bluff (KsTh f.e.).

    i'd bet the river much bigger and still fold to his jam
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    Old 02-09-2012, 03:01 PM   #11
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    I think purely because he can't expect us to VB often enough on the river I'm folding. Seems like a pretty straight forward fold.
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    Old 02-09-2012, 03:22 PM   #12
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    I think purely because he can't expect us to VB often enough on the river I'm folding.
    That should make you wanna call
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    Old 02-09-2012, 03:52 PM   #13
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    That should make you wanna call
    No. Meaning that because hero did bet, villain should put him on a stronger range and bluff. Without history, I'd expect villain to bet river if he was going to bluff. I don't expect villain to know hero's value and bluffing ranges well enough.
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    Old 02-09-2012, 07:40 PM   #14
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

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    No. Meaning that because hero did bet, villain should put him on a stronger range and bluff.
    It depends, but this can be true.

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    I'd expect villain to bet river if he was going to bluff.
    I agree, which is why I advocate a fold otr.

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    I don't expect villain to know hero's value and bluffing ranges well enough.
    TWhat makes you say this? imo hero's line is standard and his range is therefore well defined
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    Old 02-09-2012, 09:47 PM   #15
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    Re: ATo Nl400 river check raise

    fold, seems like an appropriate play with most of his value hands given the fact that he would barrel river with missed draw especially if there isn't much history between you two.
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