Pre flop:
Villain ($~4000) raises MP to $75
Hero (covers) in BB 3s to $300 with 35clubs
Villain calls

Flop: Ad2d3x
Hero bets $400
Villain raises to $1050
Hero calls

Turn: Ad2d3x6x

Hero checks
Villain shoves for ~$2500

Hero calls and spikes a 4, villain shows A2suited.

On the flop I clearly should have shoved or folded.

My question is about the decision on the turn. I'm getting 2:1, his range was a big ace, diamonds + overs or a set/2pair. If he has each about 33% of the time, I am ~20%, ~72%, ~9%. My EV of those is ~33%. Without getting too far in the weeds on the math, is this a fair way to approach the decision?


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No , you play far too awful to be concerned about the math

Thank you, appreciate the constructive conversation.


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i'd rather just 4b get it in on the flop. that way we protect our equity versus drawing hands J5 or 95

Maybe you're on some freaky higher level than me that I don't understand but I think you just played the whole hand horribly to be honest. The 3 bet preflop is fine, I guess, a little aggro for my liking out of position and all. The all in call on the turn IMO is pretty bad considering you have no implied odds and no fold equity. I think that's a fold for sure, you got lucky.

How is hero supposed to 4b when he 3b? lol he could 5b if villain 4b. Am I missing something here?

I think he meant Hero could have 3b otf. Sometimes we miss the counts of how many bets were there

i think we have more fold equity if we call it a 4b

EV isn't a %, its a $/hand or bb/hand or bb/100 type figure. You're thinking of EQ.

In any case, once you sort out the 33%/33%/33% weighting you'll get the answer you're looking for.

**ck I'm confused.

OP, fold pre. As played, cbet on flop is fine but damnit, fold pre. As played, call villain's flop raise (I guess!???) , your call on the turn is what made me realize you are the reason I profit in poker.

Not the best spot to 3bet pre. Typically youre not going to find a ton of success 3betting one open and no callers. People just don't think its big enough of a raise to fold. You are suited, so if you just have to play this hand, call and hope to flop a monster, but that's a pretty ****ty way of playing. Just fold pre and move on.

Once you get called pre, you don't have to continue in the hand. You bluffed pre, it didn't work, you don't need to keep going forward.

As played, fold at every opportunity.

Masta--

I wouldn't mind the 3b pre if it wasn't to $300. Thats such a small 3b that I would assume V is calling a large range of his hands when he's in position. When 3b to $300 and initial open was $75, you are really just building a pot with 35cc. If 3b this hand, I want to take it down a good % of time so would 3b to $400 at least if anything.

Since 3b tho from SB, V has to know you have a decent hand and probably not much fold equity, so his jam looks very strong. With a pair and a gutter, I don't think you should ever be calling on the turn here. Even if he does just have a FD, you are still dead to his two overs - but I don't think he has a FD here very often.

The raise in the bb was a little to loose for my taste. I personally wouldnt have even called in the BB. I do not want to be stuck playing 35s OOP. I would def not have 3b pre and lets say that I hypothetically did if I got a call. I prob would have folded after the c-bet was raised on the flop. If his range as you mentioned was big Ace why lead into him on the flop and then call a raise? I think there are better spots to put chips. That for me wouldn't have been one of them especially OOP. You got lucky there but in the long run that has to be a -Ev play that will def cost money...

The whole hand looks spew. PF too loose imo, Flop bleh, Turn is a fold.

river is just about 2:1 pot odds do you ned 33% equity or better you had 20% AT BEST its an obvious fold.

I wouldn't 3-bet with 53s preflop in BB. Probably just call, but that's just me. I don't think it is too wild though. After betting the flop I think you should consider folding to the raise. Readless you are going to be up against 33 and 22 fairly often given that the A is in your range more than his. Even if you catch a miracle 4 you could end up getting boated against and lose. Turn is a clear fold.

Flop: Ad2d3x
Hero bets $400
Villain raises to $1050
Hero calls

Your initial pre flop action was super aggressive for 3C5C but for the love of God what are you putting him on and what hand are you trying to hit or rep on the turn and river? Where you planning on hitting a 4? Basically you've got a low 2nd pair on the flop and he could easily have AK amongst other hands with his aggro flop raise.

Anyway I'm just an online micros and live 1-2 and 2-5 guy so I probably don't have a right answering this.

Wat

Is this in Vegas? I need to get in this game .

3bet , fine.....cbet fine.....everything else, NOT fine

i dont mind that 3bet on bb, i hate the players who always have to play ABC and make that 3bet just with premium or idk a good hand. Is what you are representing not what you really have, and u can have a read etc.

flop: Cbet not fine why u overbet? if i understand right the pot is $375 you bet 400, your bet should be lower, then he raise ( i think here is a fold) but you can call to see if you hit some straight or another 3.

turn: obviusly a completly fold.

I think you play really bad the hand, not for the 3bet pf, because your bet size are bad, and the other else i say.

gl.

Three betting light out of position here often is negative EV. Usually you should check to preflop aggressor. You lead bet and get called he is probably ahead. He raised soo you're definitely beat. Fold turn.

You played extremely agressive preflop and if that is your style work out a better post flop strategy (Not so passive). Tighten three bet range from BB still.
If you're gonna call an all in with middle pair, and you shouldn't, then just jam on the flop. Agian be less passive and more agressive, stick with to your style preflop. Thats the only way I see this maaaaybe going your way if villian had drawing hands or KK-TT.


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I really dont like choosing a weak suited connector like 35 to 3 bet preflop especially out of position. But given the way it was played, i would either c/c or bet fold the flop. Calling the raise is suicide move. If you are prone to make mistakes like these, I would especially strongly advise not to 3 bet preflop with these hands