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Old 06-27-2012, 03:49 PM   #1
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600 - bottom 2 facing C/R

not many hands with villian but he appears to be a reg with nothing standing out thus far.

Anyhow, seems pretty obvious that his range is weighted towards draws but on the otherhand I would assume he is aware of this. 3bet flop? Call/Shoveraise good turns? something else?

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BTN: $720.20
SB: $647.48
BB: $600.00
UTG: $600.00
MP: $654.78
Hero (CO): $690.40

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with K 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, SB calls $9, BB calls $6

Flop: ($36.00) K 5 A (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $33, SB raises to $90, BB folds,


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Old 06-27-2012, 04:08 PM   #2
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Re: 600 - bottom 2 facing C/R

I feel he is so draw heavy that I'd flat flop and jam blank turns and fold heart turns.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #3
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Re: 600 - bottom 2 facing C/R

if he sucks he has QJhh if hes good he has AQ+ for value

also isnt your cbet size a little big
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #4
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Re: 600 - bottom 2 facing C/R

Wassup with pre?


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Old 06-27-2012, 05:04 PM   #5
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I feel he is so draw heavy that I'd flat flop and jam blank turns and fold heart turns.
This, though knowing a bit about BB would be helpful, SB may flat AA/KK/AK/ or make a loose call with a5s if he's a drooler or sqz's a lot, though that is a large assumption with little info. If he were to flat those hands, you may ask why he would c/r flop rather than call, but judging by your absolute mash of a cbet (is that standard for you?) I'd c/r those hands too.

There are a lot of other stats that could help our decision but If he's just a relative unknown I'd go with the standard line above.

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:15 PM   #6
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Re: 600 - bottom 2 facing C/R

yeah IDK i click raise sometimes when my hand is suited even if there are a few too many gaps.


hahaha "absolute mash" of a CBET <3

Flop sizing is not standard but I mix it up a bit
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:02 PM   #7
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #8
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I think it's a good hand to put into your flop 3betting range (unless you think stacking off is too loose, which it might be given minraise pre + 3way flop) as just calling the flop raise won't play out too well on (m)any cards.

No idea what's best on turn. One argument for calling is that our range will be very heart heavy (made flush as well as AxQh etc), so adding some non-heart hands into our range can't hurt. But that's more of a thought than an argument really.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:18 PM   #9
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I think it's a good hand to put into your flop 3betting range (unless you think stacking off is too loose, which it might be given minraise pre + 3way flop) as just calling the flop raise won't play out too well on (m)any cards.
yeah this is basically my question... IDK

yeah also you can bluff board pairing rivers, heart rivers, maybe take some showdowns. But even though I was thinking of this FPS just felt like strait spew since I feel like its gonna brick off and I'm looking at a shove the vast majority of the time.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:42 PM   #10
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I'm too dumb to understand the argument "we'll have hands with hearts in them in our turn calling range, so we should add hands without hearts aswell".

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Old 06-27-2012, 07:14 PM   #11
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I get it all in on the flop, if I lose, cry about being coolered.
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I think it's a good hand to put into your flop 3betting range (unless you think stacking off is too loose, which it might be given minraise pre + 3way flop) as just calling the flop raise won't play out too well on (m)any cards.

No idea what's best on turn. One argument for calling is that our range will be very heart heavy (made flush as well as AxQh etc), so adding some non-heart hands into our range can't hurt. But that's more of a thought than an argument really.
if our heart range is very heavy, thats even more of a reason for folding the turn. Against an unknown i'd play it the same, but all options otf are valid against varying opponents.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:13 PM   #13
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I get it all in on the flop, if I lose, cry about being coolered.
hahaha getting it in on the flop is not a good line if you forget to cry about being coolered.

thanks for the responses all, I think I'll post a few more spots in days to come.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:53 PM   #14
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I'm too dumb to understand the argument "we'll have hands with hearts in them in our turn calling range, so we should add hands without hearts aswell".

he's saying if our turn calling range is hearts-heavy, we can add some non-heart hands with the intention to bluff hearts rivers when checked to.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:33 AM   #15
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i think you played it great
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