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03-16-2017 , 09:05 PM
Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 55 BB (VPIP: 39.47, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 193)
UTG: 243.25 BB (VPIP: 21.39, PFR: 9.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 201)
Hero (CO): 177 BB
BTN: 88.25 BB (VPIP: 53.59, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 491)
SB: 91.25 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) 6 7 9
SB checks, BB bets 5.5 BB, Hero calls 5.5 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 19 BB


Do we fold here or find the call? Obviously facing hands like flushes and some straights. We are at the lowest stakes this site offers so there are a lot of fish making crazy donk bets and stuff. I know the PFR open by me is small but I'm trying to get value while set mining. Thanks in advance guys
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03-16-2017 , 09:21 PM
Is button's PFR stat correct? I would raise to 3 or 4 bb to try and isolate button since he seems like a weak player.

I would call turn since you have 10 outs and you can win an extra 28.5 if you get a full house. It should be a slightly profitable call even after rake.
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03-16-2017 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
I would call turn since you have 10 outs and you can win an extra 28.5 if you get a full house. It should be a slightly profitable call even after rake.
Even with those outs, we don't have enough equity vs a hand that beats us to call.

Fold turn. It's really likely we're behind, and we have garbage implied odds. Honestly though, I'm pretty indifferent vs a fish with like 50bb.
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03-16-2017 , 10:13 PM
all stats are correct. there are some major fish in these games and then some people who are very serious. Its a complete cluster F haha.

Ended up folding due to the lack of equity here. poker tracker said we were 75 percent vs any hand but the betting line just seemed too strong and a chasing a boat with one card to come just isn't the positive EV line.
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03-16-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Even with those outs, we don't have enough equity vs a hand that beats us to call.



Fold turn. It's really likely we're behind, and we have garbage implied odds. Honestly though, I'm pretty indifferent vs a fish with like 50bb.


Let's assume that BB has straights or flushes and our equity is 19% (it's closer to 21% with 10 outs but I'm gonna round down a little). (19bb)/(0.19)=100bb. So we need to win 100bb when we get a full house to break even. Given that BB is a fish (stack size, stats), he will most likely shove his flush/straight into our full house. Even if he checks it's very unlikely he will fold to our 28.5bb bet on the river.

Let me know if my analysis is wrong. My brain has been kinda fried since it's almost finals week so I may have made a mistake.
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03-16-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
Let's assume that BB has straights or flushes and our equity is 19% (it's closer to 21% with 10 outs but I'm gonna round down a little). (19bb)/(0.19)=100bb. So we need to win 100bb when we get a full house to break even. Given that BB is a fish (stack size, stats), he will most likely shove his flush/straight into our full house. Even if he checks it's very unlikely he will fold to our 28.5bb bet on the river.

Let me know if my analysis is wrong. My brain has been kinda fried since it's almost finals week so I may have made a mistake.
Assuming villain never folds, you're correct. I guess even with stack depth, our implied odds aren't as bad as I thought because this fish isn't folding any part of his range. Even so, it's marginally profitable at best, we end up winning about 4bb in the long run. But it is +EV, so it's not a mistake.

Like I said, I'm pretty indifferent. I personally think I would fold because I don't see a need to push such a tiny edge in an extremely profitable game.
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