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Old 07-11-2012, 11:15 AM   #1
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5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

When I bet turn Im expect to get value from all 1pair+floating straight draws like A9/K9 etc.

When I get raised, I kind of expect to get jammed on river.
Should I just fold turn if I dont plan calling river?
Is my cbet on turn std?

    Poker Stars, $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13497402

    BTN: $3,343.84 (334.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $831.50 (83.2 bb)
    BB: $1,536.20 (153.6 bb)
    MP: $1,100.86 (110.1 bb)
    CO: $1,052.25 (105.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
    3 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

    Flop: ($60) 7 8 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $35, BB calls $35

    Turn: ($130) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $80, BB raises to $210, Hero calls $130

    River: ($550) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $1,261.20 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    Old 07-12-2012, 07:29 AM   #2
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

    I play 100nl, so ignore this post if u like.

    Turn vbet is on the thin side, but probably fine.

    You may not agree with the turn calling range i assigned villain but..

    Board: 7h 8d 8c 6c
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 51.389% { 99-77, AJs-ATs, Ac9c, A8s-A6s, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, K8s-K7s, Q8s-Q7s, J8s-J7s, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, AJo-ATo, A8o-A6o, K8o-K7o, Q8o, J8o, T8o+, 98o, 87o }
    Hand 1: 48.611% { JJ }

    Since now we know he has a raising range here, it's probably more likely he bluff raises sometimes instead of calling ATo/AJo. So our equity drops maybe 7%, if we aren't calling the raise, which is still fine i think, considering the gutshots/Ahi we fold out(and he may raise some strong hands on the flop) but not as good as if he plays the turn passively.

    Since this card helps villain's range though and isn't a card we are thrilled about 2barrel bluffing, i lean more towards a c/c on the turn with this hand(since we will be c/fing more often maybe).

    River is one of the best cards you could hope for i think, since it blocks and polarizes his range to full houses(if he raised a flush draw or a straight on the turn, i doubt he vbets this river). So i call once i get there. Im not sure i call turn though, this is one of our lowest vbetting hands on turn? so maybe we can just fold it.
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    Old 07-12-2012, 10:11 AM   #3
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

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    River is one of the best cards you could hope for i think, since it blocks and polarizes his range to full houses(if he raised a flush draw or a straight on the turn, i doubt he vbets this river). So i call once i get there.
    The more i think about this, the sillier it sounds..
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    Old 07-12-2012, 06:24 PM   #4
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

    First off shark_fishin your range is pretty far off and includes way too many bluffs and also includes hands that simply do not play this way (ex 99)

    That being said, this is a fairly difficult spot to provide information about without metagame/reads on villain in hand. Against unknown I would fold turn without too much thought.

    River does slightly polarize his range, but not that much because my range for turn raises is a lot of 3 of a kind and full houses.
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    Old 07-13-2012, 08:18 AM   #5
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

    Thnx for the feedback Deathtonight, but im a bit confused. Which bluffs are you talking about?
    Are you just saying it's too wide of a calling range in general?
    I guess i agree with 99, but depends how wide OP opens, i wouldnt 3bet 99 against a 25% opener for example, but ur probably right overall(most open wider i guess). Idk how being 830bb deep changes it.
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    Old 07-13-2012, 11:51 PM   #6
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

    Any reads on him?
    I would bet bigger flop/turn to not induce him to raise us. As played I think I fold river.
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    Old 07-15-2012, 07:37 AM   #7
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

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    Any reads on him?
    I would bet bigger flop/turn to not induce him to raise us. As played I think I fold river.
    Kind of passiv, NL is definitly not his main game & he might play the NL-rotation more straight-forward waiting for his better games to get active in
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    Old 07-16-2012, 11:47 AM   #8
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    Re: 5/10 in 8game- Barreling turn & getting raised

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    Kind of passiv, NL is definitly not his main game & he might play the NL-rotation more straight-forward waiting for his better games to get active in
    based on this i'm probably folding turn.


    edit: or reraising.
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