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Old 06-13-2012, 03:51 AM   #1
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400nl KQo sqz it

Open raiser is 22/18 solid winning bumhunter who doesn't make a lot of moves post flop unless you do something tricky. SB is an aggro 30/20 losing player who has some bet sizing tells - he basically smashes the pot button or all in button when he has a strong hand and never bluffs when he does this.

6 handed - 22/18 guy and I have $400, 30/20 guy has $375

Folds to CO (22/18) raises to $12, BTN calls, Hero makes it $40 with KQo, both call.

CO will trap KK and AA here to keep BTN in the pot.

Flop Qs J Ts ($122)

Hero?
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:39 AM   #2
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

bet/fold?

A lot of worse hands and some better hands might fold (KK AA AQ KQ). Decent draw when called, sets probably shove it in your face, but you probably get to see one more versus twopairs and worse.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:16 AM   #3
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CO is calling with a wider range even though you say he has called with premiums to keep agro in hand. Agro losing player is calling here definitely with pot odds that CO has in this hand.
-lead out, if CO raises with (agro behind) then fold, btn raises then shove. Continue aggression if either/both call.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:17 AM   #4
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If K falls then slow down obvs
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:02 AM   #5
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

what about c/c the flop? You get extra information from seeing what the other two players do before you put any money in the pot
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:45 AM   #6
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

agree with b/f. they'll play really honest to a bet since the flop slams your range so hard. big +EV bet that they should fold a lot to. only way I'd start by checking is if you had some relevant reads that might make c/r or c/c better.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:44 PM   #7
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

wtf betfold? sure if co raises his range is well defined but we are pretty much commited with this kind of a hand and cant fold. He probably has some fds in his raising range too, maybe even T9 , QQ JJ isnt that likely, and QJ,sQTs,JTs.
Obv not a good spot, but the pot is big and we get enough eq to get it in and i dont expect anyone to raisefold. Jesus... use pokerstove

although im checking here.

EDIT: If co shoves, and btn calls we still cant fold

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Old 06-13-2012, 07:45 PM   #8
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

Is this is clear 3b pf?

I tend to call w/ hands like KQo, AJo, ATs here can someone explain their reasoning for preferring to 3bet these hands in this spot?
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:05 PM   #9
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

Ok I have no problem with a b/f plan but can you guys please give a bet size because it's pretty damn important imo. I find myself betting like $42 in these 3 way 3b pots and I'm not sure if it's good/ok/terrible
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:08 PM   #10
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

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Is this is clear 3b pf?

I tend to call w/ hands like KQo, AJo, ATs here can someone explain their reasoning for preferring to 3bet these hands in this spot?
I like a 3bet bc if they flat then you pretty much have them crushed when you hit a pair (most of the time, this HH not a good example). Also it's a dream situation if original raiser folds and losing player tags along.

If I flat in this spot oop then my plan is to lead almost every flop to force original raiser to play straight forward and play against the losing player.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:50 AM   #11
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

3b bigger pre.

interesting people want to b/f. my standard would be to b/c as i think if we have enough eq vs TPTK/2P/Sets but have no pokerstove on ipad atm ...

ch/c is an idea but could make things difficult ...

bet 38 as played and mby even f vs co raise but would need to stove this. also if we bet small and get raised draws are less likely imo so mby we should rl b/f this.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:10 AM   #12
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

Maybe I didn't read it carefully enough, but I assume you're talking about bet folding if the cutoff raises/shoves. Still seems pretty weak to me. I think bet/call is better. Its unlikely he has AK because even if he wants to trap the button I still think most nitty players would 4-bet this preflop. AK is the only hand that really destroys your equity. He could have AJs or KJs if he shoves, or an aces and a flush draw, who knows. If fish shoves then I think its an easy call.

Actually, its very relevant whether you have the king of spades or not.
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Old 06-14-2012, 05:36 AM   #13
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

B/f>>B/C>>C/C
If CO dosnt always just call with AA-TT+Ak then i think its a clear bet/call.
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

Still b/f if CO raises though
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Re: 400nl KQo sqz it

40 is a good size
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