Originally Posted by sneeringco
Not sure I understand, what better board texture are there? Example? Isn`t this one of the driest boards possible? Would you rather I do this on a board thats wet but not too wet like J84hh or A43r? Mono? But then what do I do when the draw hits half the time?
In what sense is my range capped? I will do this with 44, K4, KQ, KJ for sure they are basically the nuts versus this guy.
Why is his range less capped? Isn`t it harder for him to have KQ or KA? I'm IP against UTG after all
If I have a 4 I certainly dont 3bet, so what other blocker should be in my bluff range on this board? A
has showdown value. So do you mean Q
, or J
? Do you think the marginal difference in fold equity when I have a faced club outweighs the timing factor(obviously I thought the timing in our dynamic was perfect or I wouldn`t even be posting the hand)?
KKx is just not the perfect board texture to bluff a fish, you can rep only a few hands that you're unlikely to have, and fish love to put you on air when they realize that (and they will realize that you are polarized here quicker on this flop as on, say, JT6).
i said your perceived range is capped, because the fish will think that you always 3bet KK, AK pre, same is true for KQ to some extent at least. problem is that you're repping these hands besides some random Kx (that you aren't necessarily 3betting flop w/) and 44, K4. in my first post i misread the hand when i said his range isn't capped, thought the fish was utg, so apologies for that.
blocker issues: i'n not saying this is too important in this spot, but if you really go for the bluff, having a blocker helps. saying you won't 3bet a 4 otf (and rather just call?) is inconsistent with your bluff. you need to get him of hands like 55-TT a lot of the time if you decide to bluff here, so 34o is a better hand to take this specific line with than your hand.
if you are just trying to get him off all his air & fds, well there are certainly way better lines to choose, and i don't think any of them involves you 3betting the guy after he c/raised ppl. if you really had an orea tell on the fish then why not call his c/r and win more by letting him bluff at least one more street and see how he reacts on a new card? you're ip. also, when he checks to you ott, why would you ever bet that much?
look, i'm prolly the only poster itt who took it srsly, but just randomly calling T3s pre and going fps post will (correctly) not get you much love on 2p2. being creative is great, but a great bluff spot isn't only determined by good timing.