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06-16-2015 , 03:55 PM

Findblisch

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No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 Spieler) Converter Tool from http://de.flopturnriver.com

Hero (SB) ($416.20)
BB ($934.55)
UTG ($196)
MP ($404.50)
Button ($532.15)

Preflop: Hero ist SB X X

2 folds, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $32, 1 fold, Button calls $22

Flop: ($68) 10

, K

, 10

(2 Spieler)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($68) 7

(2 Spieler)
Hero bets $32, Button calls $32

River: ($132) 9

(2 Spieler)
Hero checks, Button bets $161

Hi folks,

I would like to discus what both players ranges should look like up to this point in the hand.

I will reveal later what I had in this spot and I want to discuss this situation.

Perhaps some guys of you will be already known on what I'm up to when constructing ranges.

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06-17-2015 , 04:21 AM

Jesus420

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Originally Posted by Findblisch

I want to discuss this situation.

www.runitonce.com

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06-17-2015 , 11:00 AM

Rei Ayanami

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Ah, the innocent days of "Hero has XX" threads.

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06-17-2015 , 06:23 PM

Findblisch

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

Ah, the innocent days of "Hero has XX" threads.

Is there something wrong with that?

Sometimes it becomes a type of blockade to know what a player really had before starting to think what he might have.

I will tell later what I had and what I did, but I'm not sure if everbody would understand this that's why I want to look at ranges at first.

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06-17-2015 , 06:51 PM

Nirwanda

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These threads don't tend to generate much discussion ime.

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06-17-2015 , 11:53 PM

ArtPlay

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Mostly because it kills the whole fun of guessing and being able to call OP an idiot. And the people thrive on calling others idiots, Internet 101.

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06-18-2015 , 05:06 AM

Findblisch

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No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 Spieler) -Converter Tool from http://de.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Hero (SB) ($416.20)
BB ($934.55)
UTG ($196)
MP ($404.50)
Button ($532.15)

Preflop: Hero ist SB mit K

, Q

2 folds, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $32, 1 fold, Button calls $22

Flop: ($68) 10

, K

, 10

(2 Spieler)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($68) 7

(2 Spieler)
Hero bets $32, Button calls $32

River: ($132) 9

(2 Spieler)
Hero checks, Button bets $161, Hero ????

Alright if there where so many people having problems with that here is my hand.

So what do you think Villain plays this way and what do we do here?

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06-28-2015 , 11:57 AM

archimedes11

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I'd say his river overbetting range is like 99, TT, QJs, KTs, A8ss+ honestly, he's got a bluff here just about never given his line thus far. If there's some sort of dynamic between you and villain thinks you might hero occasionally, he could conceivably be merging with Tx. In other words, if you can't beat at least trips, which you don't, fold.

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06-30-2015 , 06:31 PM

the real mg0698

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,828

I agree with ^^^ just don't see many bluffs here given the line.

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07-04-2015 , 06:41 PM

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blackize5

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Wait why would villain never have a bluff on the river?

His range hasn't narrowed that much from preflop imo and should still be fairly wide.

Hero's range looks pretty capped so why wouldn't villain bluff with a decent set of his fairly wide range? I still don't think villain has enough bluff combos to get to the ~35% bluff frequency we need to call, but doesn't seem quite as clear cut as is made out here.

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07-05-2015 , 01:46 AM

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Thomca

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I see myself playing this range: value range 77, 99, and flush (KJ, K9 don´t bluff river this size), bluffing range AsQ, AsJ, 79s; and for hero KQ with blockers is snap call also. Of course always depends the image of villain, but VPIP 32 normal regular is easy call.

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07-07-2015 , 03:56 PM

#12

archimedes11

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I lean far more toward villain having a monster than a bluff here simply because his line has been passive up until the river. If he's got a hand that needs to bluff to win, do you really think he's gonna check back flop, flat turn, and THEN overbet river?.....

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07-08-2015 , 02:23 PM

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BradWilson

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I think villain might check back Tx given that we capped our range by not betting flop. His river sizing should be a lot of Tx and 77-type hands.

The only chance we have of villain showing up with a large percentage of bluffs (and meriting a call) is if he's sophisticated enough to know we don't have much of a calling range (if any) for overbets ... so he can successfully turn many of his pairs into bluffs on the river.

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07-08-2015 , 07:41 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by BradWilson

we capped our range by not betting flop.

lol, if you suck at poker.

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07-12-2015 , 06:42 AM

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BradWilson

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Villain's likely perception is we capped our range, I meant.

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07-13-2015 , 03:36 AM

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goranbaxy

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Originally Posted by BradWilson

I think villain might check back Tx given that we capped our range by not betting flop.

so if we think that he is capped to no Tx when he checks we should check back Tx aswell, that's interesting. Care to elaborate a bit more on this?

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07-13-2015 , 10:58 AM

#17

lvr

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His range isn't capped and even if it was it doesn't matter

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07-13-2015 , 12:50 PM

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tobe4funas

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Originally Posted by BradWilson

Villain's likely perception is we capped our range, I meant.

Still same:

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

lol, if you suck at poker.

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