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Old 07-15-2012, 05:07 AM   #1
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400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

vs reg.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($780) 195bb
CO ($511) 128bb
Hero (BTN) ($434) 109bb
SB ($400) 100bb
BB ($476) 119bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BTN 9 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: 5 4 3 ($18, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13, BB calls $13

Turn: 2 ($44, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $31, BB raises to $92, $61 to Hero ($382)?


Call turn, call river? Are we going to bet if he is checking river?
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:33 PM   #2
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

"vs reg" = entire info ..?
also, [ ] nut straight.

entire hand depends on villain's raising tendencies, but i doubt he ever valueraises worse there.. would call turn and decide riv.
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Old 07-15-2012, 09:48 PM   #3
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

you don't even have the nut straight ffs. you're praying for a chop, just fold.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:13 PM   #4
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

What does he c/c flop with that bluffraises this turn?
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:42 AM   #5
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

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"vs reg" = entire info ..?
also, [ ] nut straight.

entire hand depends on villain's raising tendencies, but i doubt he ever valueraises worse there.. would call turn and decide riv.
any of his Adx combos would probably raise imo.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:10 PM   #6
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

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What does he c/c flop with that bluffraises this turn?
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any of his Adx combos would probably raise imo.
Perhaps, but it's also possible those AXx combos raise the flop. The main question here and what would need to happen for villain to have enough of a bluffing range to call turn and/or river is he would have to have hands like 88 to turn into a bluff by check-raising the turn.

Because you min-raised pre-flop, you probably won't see many higher pairs than 88, maybe 77, playing pre-flop and flop this way and even those hands may check-raise flop a decent amount of the time. Even if he's playing all 77, all 88, and all flushes this way, it's going to be close and dependent on how often he's playing suited junk out of position and playing those hands passively on the flop. Playing his draws on the flop seems strange to me because he'll almost always have some sort of combination draw ready to go, but that doesn't mean he always check-raises draws here, that one should, or that I do :P

Does this mean you should be checking back the turn to bluff catch and induce value bets from worse on the river? Probably not. It's tough to say much of value here with our only read being "vs reg.", which helps us more than "vs fish," but not much more.

If you check back the turn, you also run the risk of him being cognizant enough of the situation to over bet his entire range, which would also be unpleasant.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #7
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

Obviously, my post implied that he doesn't have much of a bluffing range.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:41 PM   #8
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

I would have to agree with above poster with the adorable avatar. It's hard for him to have a bluff here, as it is very doubtful he would run a semibluff without a high diamond, and he doesn't have a ton of those.

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Old 07-17-2012, 09:54 AM   #9
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

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I would have to agree with above poster with the adorable avatar. It's hard for him to have a bluff here, as it is very doubtful he would run a semibluff without a high diamond, and he doesn't have a ton of those.

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my first thought is to agree with you but tbh i don't think villain expects hero to be strong here at all. what makes you think he won't bluff with a wider range, especially if he thinks we give up with hands as strong as 6x here, which most of you guys clearly want to?
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:08 AM   #10
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

imo call turn and river is the best you don't want Ax to fold if you 3b the turn, and you dont want flush to shove
so call turn is for me the only option

river he will lead air + flush and maybe Ax, so it's a though call
if he checks i think ther's only Ax on his range so bet big
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:18 AM   #11
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Re: 400nl - BTNvsBB nut str8 3flush board

Lol villain never has a bare Ad given flop and turn... don't mind folding now or calling and reevaluating river, which is tough though.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:35 AM   #12
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Don't see him ever checking back river here. If he does, check back river anyways even though you're showing garbage on btn. Being check raised would make you want to ear your face off. Probs call turn and non-d river
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