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Old 02-08-2012, 12:27 AM   #1
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400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

Villain is playing 27/27 with a 3-bet of 10%. I havn't gotten out of line with him yet. My 3-bet stat is 12% currently over about 60 hands.
Standard call? Not much info on villain
UTG-$400
MP-$360
CO-$444
Button(villain)-$650
SB-$402
BB (hero)-$654

Dealt to hero AA


UTG folds, MP folds, CO limps $4, button raises to $18, SB folds, Hero raises to $48, button calls $26.

Flop J3T ($101)
Hero checks, Button bets $54, Hero calls $54

Turn 6 ($190)
Hero checks, Button bids $152, Hero calls $152

River 8 ($494)
Hero checks, button goes all in for $426, hero?
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:46 AM   #2
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

why didnt you bet flop?
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:38 AM   #3
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

I dunno how hero raise yo 48 and button have only 26 to call after raise 18, if it means that button raises to 22 and you raise to 48 oop in deep stacks it's pretty bad sizing and he rarely folds smth good there+ get a lot of implied odds. 48 into 18 seems very small to me too.
I would cbet flop and bet-bet-bet this as a standard, but as played I think you get what you wanted on river and you should call it.
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:08 AM   #4
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

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I think you get what you wanted on river and you should call it.
doesn't really matter but I disagree with this, if villian checks behind we win always, if villian gaybets we win a lot. When villian shoves we are IMO behind his range (or close to it) so the EV of our hand is pretty marginal, which would not be "what I want."

sorry for nitpicking, but do you think we are ahead of his range?
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:51 AM   #5
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

I'm just not that concerned about being beat here. Not that much really got there. I suppose if we had different assumptions about an average regular's 3b defending range at this stack depth it could sway it though. Like if you are assuming he has hands like 97s or 68s.

The only hands beating us from a fairly tight range of QQ-22, all SC, and some random suited aces are JTs, JJ, TT, 33, 66, 88 and that's about it.
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:58 AM   #6
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

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doesn't really matter but I disagree with this, if villian checks behind we win always, if villian gaybets we win a lot. When villian shoves we are IMO behind his range (or close to it) so the EV of our hand is pretty marginal, which would not be "what I want."

sorry for nitpicking, but do you think we are ahead of his range?
We don't need to be ahead we need about 30% vs it all possible draws missed and we lose to flopped sets and 2 combs of JTs exclusively so we need him to bet like 4=5 combs of KQ\98\AQ or even smth like slowplayed KK,QQ to justify our call
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:59 AM   #7
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

you missed my point, I'm familiar with basic pot odds. Like I said though, it doesn't really matter.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:01 AM   #8
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

huh we have aces? call.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:43 AM   #9
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huh we have aces? call.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:55 AM   #10
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

He can even bet worse for value. Easy call ?
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:00 AM   #11
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

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Old 02-08-2012, 06:50 AM   #12
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

As played, you have to call. Your just playing guessing games if u fold.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:31 AM   #13
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

i flat pre with the fish inside. clubs missed, KQs missed and a whole lot of other stuff.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:32 AM   #14
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

I don't know if calling is such a good idea...I mean honestly, this guy has bet flop, turn and river. Do you really think he would value bet much worse or bluff here? I doubt that this might be the case concerning the stack sizes.

But the differences in bet sizes between flop and turn bet make me suspicious...on the flop it seems like either he is trying to buy the pot with 1/2 ps bet or tries to keep you in the pot. after hero calls the flop villain bets 3/4 pot on turn. so what do you think? nuts or air? i'm not really sure, but river is definetly not a nice spot to get the money in...

perhaps it would have been better to not play c/c.

what did you do?
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:35 PM   #15
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Re: 400NL AA in 3-bet pot 175BB deep

so player dependent it sucks that you don't know much about this guy. against a relatively unknown I pretty much call this off every time
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