....Apparently everybody just thinks it's cool to straight out someone for absolutely no reason other than boredom. Those of you cheering on zach either are clueless or have backwards morals.

Obviously the guy is not to be trusted with any sensitive information if he is capable of going out of his way to purposefully harm someone for no reason other than "he felt like it".

...And a lot of you are cheering him on?

As I said in the last PM I sent to him, I'm happy to play him anytime. There's no way I'll agree to any kind of deal as far as number of hands because clearly this dude has proven in this thread that he can't and shouldn't be trusted.

Let's play... I've already agreed to play you when I assumed you could be anyone--and as I recall, it was you who dodged me while I was sitting at tables waiting. This is obviously about nothing other than ego to you because I would have snap agreed to multi-table if you had just asked in the first place.

wrong on all levels for me I'm afraid

doubting this match is ever going to happen

both parties behaviour just seems childish to me.

lol if you'd just ignored the thread and not gotten into a peen waving contest with him no one would have figured out it was you. It was a trap and you fell right in, and now you're mad because he set it. and as far as I can tell he never outed you in this thread. you outed yourself.

based on his rep on these forums and the opinion of other poker players I'd guess that Zach is actually pretty trustworthy. he already agreed to escrow, so trying to dodge the bet based on that angle just doesn't make sense.

you might be a great guy marshall, I don't know you at all. But you come across as a braggart in both this thread and many others, and if you aren't going to play him HU you might as well just laugh along with everyone else, because you were had. I don't know if you played a lot of team sports growing up, but if you can't learn to laugh at yourself and go along with the joke when you eff up people are never going to let up on you.

You got trapped,

You are now his e-bitch.

Was a good few minutes spend on the internet!

The reading comprehension of the average poster in this thread is .... sigh

I never made any challenge. I never claimed I was some kind of HU crusher. Go back and read the posts. The only things I said that were derogatory were about ARRIVAL10 -- THAT'S ME.

If I knew it was possible that somebody could have found out this SN was actually me then obviously I never would have responded. Only like 4 people even knew the ID and I knew none of them would have said a word about it.

I prematurely agreed to escrow funds to play the HU match given a certain set of circumstances because zach started making accusations that I was stealing from people by charging for poker lessons that I wasn't qualified to give--essentially calling me a fraud. And he was doing it as a completely anonymous person with inside information about me even though he knew those accusations were not true. If you don't think there's something wrong with that then I don't think we'll agree on much.

I guess I have to spell this out....

I say I start tables because I do. I believe being a bumhunter is against the spirit of the game. The spirit of the game... that's something a lot of guys don't have any respect for. I never realized you guys all interpreted that it was a brag or whatever. I guess you guys see me say "I start tables, I'll play anyone" and you think that means "I have an edge against anyone who sits down against me". I play against guys better than me ALL the time. The majority of the players I sit down and play against are better than me because they usually sit out if they don't think they have an edge--that's why I get aggravated--because even if I don't think I have an edge I often will stay. I stay and play in order to get a game going assuming that a fish who is looking for a game will sit in eventually and we can all make more money. Do you guys not understand that most fish don't sit by themselves at tables? They want to join games already in progress and they generally don't like to play HU. When I start tables and play with whoever, everybody wins. Even if I'm giving up some EV in the short term.

This is why I don't accept HU challenges for a set number of hands. I don't play HU regularly, I play 6max and I start tables--This is how I make money. It's a waste of my time to escrow money and play a bunch of hands when there's no opportunity for fish to join. Get it ? ? ? ? ?

Do I think I have an edge on zach? yeah, probably. Do I think escrowing a portion of my bankroll --forcing me to move down in stakes for 6max-- and also diverting a ton of my time to playing him specifically HU is as profitable as being able to stay in higher games and play against much weaker opponents? Obviously not.

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want to bet against both if this is going to happen...

Gaydardar ITT?

Marshall, i find this thread funny from the point of view of someone that isn't the butt of the joke but agree would possibly find it annoying if it was about myself. That being said your replies often come across condescending/bragtarding at times. i think you sometimes lack the self awareness of why some people hate on you in here occasionally.

For example, zach offered to play you 400-2knl... then specifically said 600nl and you asked for it to be 400nl 1 post later? Now you say the limits are too low for you.... you also sort of moan 2 paragraphs earlier that you're willing to get games going by playing better people inferring (prob correctly) that a lot of other players don't... but then when you get offered the chance to take that opportunity for yourself you just say (I'm better than him but no) giving that weird reason about stakes. Like, it's your choice if you do/don't want to play (and i doubt anyone would really have anything against you if you had just said lol, no ty from the start), but i think you make yourself an easy target with some of your inconsistencies and stuff u post.

pretty much what pontylad said. you said you wanted to measure epeens and when zach stepped up you're now saying it's not worth your time. I'm sure we all knew it wasn't worth your time right from the get go, but you talked a bunch of **** and now you look like a bitch because you aren't backing up your boasts.

if you had just laughed his tarp off as the general internet silliness that it was, and admitted that it isn't worth your time to play another good player HU for an extended period of time then no one would be giving you ****. The whole thing would just look silly and if anything zach would come off as a weirdo. Instead he comes off as a prankster willing to back up his claims and you come off as the butt of the joke that got all pissy and backed down.

just learn to laugh at yourself, admit this thread wasn't your best moment, and move on.

pontylad,

I know you are trying to help ... and I appreciate the effort ... but this is probably why I come across as condescending a lot. You clearly don't understand the scenario--inconsistencies in my statements?--You perceive inconsistencies because you lack understanding of the nature of variance.

Now I guess I could go ahead and try to re-explain it to you, and to every poster here who has made some negative comment about me, but clearly as you pointed out, it's better to just say nothing at all. So I can defend myself -- or I can just let accusations run wild while I sit in the background, but how does that make me look? Guilty.

After this thread, I'm done w/ MSNL. I've provided so much quality content to this forum, and have always tried to do the right thing for the game of poker. That's what this is about, the integrity of the game of poker. And this thread is a perfect example of how much of that is lacking in the MSNL forum. For everything positive I've done for this community, what have I received in return? Constant attacks, accusations, and now malicious intent to harm me financially. I don't need this in my life.

You have no one but yourself to blame for all of the "constant attacks, accusations, and malicious intent to harm you financially (lol)."

I played with you quite a bit (a while back), and will say that you were quite the bumhunter. You might have changed since then, but who knows.

Why don't you just run along and play in this "super juicy 5-10-25-50 game" with a bunch of droolers?

Good riddance coward!

I'm not sure what you are referencing here, It makes little sense. I was referring to the inconsistencies of your posts/replies in general on 2+2 (not just this thread), which means that ,either you that didn't understand the nature of my post at all? or that you are now talking about the variance of message posting?

I wouldn't say i was trying to help or not, I was just stating the facts and hoped you might be able to stand back and view things objectively. It's interesting that you say i'm wrong about your posts coming off condescending, which you then follow up with a volley of condescending verbal diarrhoea my way.

This thread is in many ways no different to the thread in which you defended that scammer Gianluca Chiappa. You clearly couldn't think objectively about that situation, just like this one, and despite many people trying to point out tidbits of advice for you to think a little more before you type, you just blurt out stupid stuff because (i guess) your ego gets in the way and you just don't like being told you're wrong. You have a complete lack of awareness of your image and mixed with your ego is why you always seem to get so butt hurt when people try point it out to you.

I honestly don't have anything against you Marshall (and although i like zach i think this thread was a little OTT), but you seem to think you have some sort of entitlement in this forum and that people can't disagree with you or get pissed when you write something patronising/condescending or just plain wrong, after which you resort to throwing your toys out of the pram. Of course people are going to target you when you tell them that they don't have the mental capacity to think on your level while at the same time you're defending some ridiculous scammer in another thread. It appears the thought of why people would want to annoy you hasn't even crossed your mind.

Yep for sure I was. Oh wait...


That's exactly how I feel, and I've played some pretty ****ing good HU players to start tables.


What part of we can play as high as you ****ing want do you not understand? That offer is still open. If you want to play 5knl let's ****ing play 5knl. 10knl? Let's ****ing do it. I don't guarantee to have 100% of myself but I guarantee to be the one playing and I don't mind using a webcam to prove it as long as you do the same.