Villain is a less common reg opening lots from CO and seems to like calling 3bets. Also has a low fold to cbet in 3bet pot. Not sure what my turn plan is.

Hero (SB): $687.60 (171.9 bb)
BB: $412 (103 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $406 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
CO raises to $12, BTN folds, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, CO calls $28

Flop: ($84) 9 K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $49.50, CO calls $49.50

Turn: ($183) 3 (2 players)

Bet/fold I guess?

I assume hes flatting all his sc's to a 3bet, obv not immediately giving him credit for a flush but I just think checking opens you up to being bluffed off your hand too much esp OOP, imo.

I would ch/call flop.

as played ch/call or ch/f turn (depends on his turn float)

I guess you can c/c and c/c any river that's not a diamond/Q/T. Given your description of him he'll probably get to the river with more air than he knows what to do with and will overestimate the size of his value range.

bet flop, bet turn, bet river. if he ever raises you fold.

I think a bet bet bet line is a great way to cooler yourself in bb vs co.

wtf @ bet/bet/shove

its a three bet pot and you flop top pair vs a bad player that plays too many hands and calls to much. am i missing something? maybe bet bet. check call river. but thats it.

NSIS to bet/bet/shove. Surely this guy is trolling.

I think c/c c/c is the best play here. Given that villain doesn't doesn't fold much to cbets in 3b pots I think it's fair to assume he will barrel off all of his floats on this turn card. I think someone previously said c/c c/c on any river that isn't a diamond, t or q. I'd have to agree with that and reckon that is definitely the best line against villain.

Ch/call turn. Obv this dude likes to float "light 3bets" from the blinds (like yours). A bet from you on turn likely only folds out worse hands and gets called or raised by better. He's def not putting you on a flush that's for sure. So just take that same bet amount and add in bluff-catch value with the ch/call line. Then you can ch/f river

Also I think 3betting w/ KJs from blinds is pretty terrible, esp vs someone who calls often and calls c-bets there often. Sure, you have more value than MOST hands in his range if he has a high co raise %, but nothing worth writing home to mom and pops about and def nothing you want to gii w/ TPTK with in my opinion. I mean let's have an honest discussion: KJ kinda sucks



*if villain is super aggro/bluffy, I like the turn b/f line much better than ch/c. Not to hard to envision that such a villain will bluff shove when we check the river, to which we gotta fold to. after all, turn and river check look pretty weak. Same villain is unlikely to shove to a turn bet from us

Hey,

I guess we are not ahead of his flop call range so I'd prefer x/c on the flop. Also x/c on any turn but A. And x/c on any river but A/4th diamond.

I don't think I like pre-flop a lot. If you're going to add hands to raise your 3 bet range to increase your frequency to exploit your opponent, then it's probably better to be ready with a more polarized range the rare times you do get action. You still have to weigh the value of a call versus the value of 3 betting KJs, and I would think calling KJs could be better. You at least avoid a lot of these types of spots!

Looks like your read + pre-flop play lean you toward a fairly clear flop check since if you get action you're not particularly happy and if you don't on a king high board, you're a little unhappy. So using the hand to induce is pretty nice. It may go without saying, but just because someone folds a lot when you bet does not necessarily mean they will not bet when you check to them. Maybe he feels like it's his turn to win a pot and bluffs a bit too often?

On the turn against this guy, you probably have an easy check-fold. If it goes check-check, then consider betting the river for a smaller size, both to target a weaker range and to avoid him playing extremely well against your river check.

Do you mean you prefer a polarized to a merged 3bet range from the blinds or overall as an exploitative strategy? Polarized is a bit easier to play I guess because it's pretty clear when you need to fold but I think against someone opening too wide and calling alot post KJs may actually be a good hand to increase 3bet%, esp if you think you have a post flop edge?

You're 3betting just to increase your 3bet%? lol wow

Come on guys! The 3bet preflop is totally standard. You can flat if the bb doesn't squeeze much.
The flop should be a check.
As played the turn is close between a c/c and c/f.

Is villain aggressive with draws?

If he is I'm not sure why ppl want to c/f this turn. If he's aggressive with draws he could conceivably raise Axdd, Kxdd, QJdd, QTdd, JTdd, 78dd, T8dd, 57dd on flop. Even if he raises some fraction of these, that doesn't leave that many FD's calling flop.

That being said, he's calling all Kx, 9x, JT/QJ/QT, TT/JJ on flop for sure. Seems like a good c/c spot.

Did you misread the OP?

No, its also for value, meta game yadda yadda w/e. But I do actually like my 3bet % to be at a certain % on everyone's hud (because so many people are hud robots), so in an attempt to have a reasonably balanced range from certain positions in my attempt to exploit regs tendencies I mix between polarized and merged, and obv tried to figure out which hands would work best where and thought KJs fell into the category from the op.

but thats what i said or meant in my first post anyways

Lol all they see is a % they don't see something that says (3bet range is merged/polarized)

Given the read of "seems to like calling 3-bets," I'm perfectly fine adding strong hands such as this to my 3-betting range, although I definitely think it's thinnish vs a sane CO opening range. I doubt he's gonna often be calling with like K9o or K7s, so it kind of sucks to narrow his Kx range to only cards that dominate us. That said, KJ suited is an awesome postflop hand and if this is the best way to get him to make mistakes then I can get on board with that.

KJs is something like on the 8th percentile of hands? It really can't be a terrible 3-bet.

Personally, I'd prob c/c the flop and most likely c/c down.

The 3 bet is certainly not terrible. I'm just advocating a bit more polarized pre-flop range or at least a flop plan that accounts for having a more condensed pre-flop re-raising range and playing the marginal made hands OOP that go along with it.

The top 8% has to do with all-in equity and not necessarily the non-linear hand ranking we're after to create the best re-raising range in this spot. That said, it's clearly not a huge mistake. I do think that going after the concept of hand ranking for this range in that way is a mistake, though.

After that derail, the issue is that our opponent's range vastly improves on this particular turn relative to our own range. We deal with that by value betting only strong hands and check-calling with a frequency that minimizes exploitation, assuming our opponent is capable of bluffing. Against this player and with how rarely he/she sees the turn and the unlikely nature of such players turning hands into bluffs and/or floating this flop to have enough bluffs on the turn, it looks like a very clear check-fold.

Against a very solid player, this would be a check-call since it's a very strong hand for our range, but one that we can no longer justify value betting.

3bet KJ is a disaster

No ****, but if you play with the same people enough they tend to pick up on what you are doing eventually. I know certain ppl who have a completely polarized 3bet range out of the blinds, and then I know others who 3bet AJo more than half the time in certain positions. It makes it easier to play against them, i try not to be easy to play against.

Just re the 8% figure - obv that's not definitive but I'd put KJs about there. I'd be surprised if you could have it much worse than that, no matter how you look at it.

Re 3-betting a polarised range - there are many spots where this makes no sense (eg if villain always 4-bets or folds) but as villain is calling 3-bets a lot (esp in position presumably) you can make a case for it here. However, do you really think KJs is worse than 78s for example? When you factor in blockers etc? I really doubt that. Not saying it's an auto 3-bet by any means but I'm surprised so many think it's bad.