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10-10-2012 , 10:58 AM
Some notes on Villain:

Have played some hands against him the last days and haven't seen anything out of the ordinary - it's definitely his first overbet. He's very sd-bound and likes to potcontrol from what I've seen, I can't say that he's overaggro or sth. He might think that I'm a bit of a spewtard and callhappy - but again, nothing crazy or specifically relevant to this hand.

$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
2 Players
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Stacks:
Hero (SB) ($816) 136bb
BB ($1,462) 244bb

Pre-Flop: ($9, 2 players) Hero is SB A A
Hero raises to $12, BB calls $6

Flop: 8 2 7 ($24, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB raises to $54, Hero calls $38

Turn: Q ($132, 2 players)
BB bets $90, Hero calls $90

River: 5 ($312, 2 players)
BB goes all-in $1,306, $660 to Hero ($660)?


How does it influence our decision that it's his first overbet an d we have the As?
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10-10-2012 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Panny1
and haven't seen anything out of the ordinary - it's definitely his first overbet. He's very sd-bound and likes to potcontrol from what I've seen, I can't say that he's overaggro or sth. He might think that I'm a bit of a spewtard and callhappy - but again, nothing crazy or specifically relevant to this hand.
seems like a fold
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10-10-2012 , 05:16 PM
I know it's not always useful to use Pokerstove for HU because ranges can be so wide and it's more about understanding how villain will play different parts of his range.

Board: 8s 2s 7d Qc 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 29 0.00 { 88-77, 22, Qs7s, JsTs, T9s, 96s, 87s, 82s, 7s5s, 72s, 65s, T9o, 87o, 65o }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 29 0.00 { AhAs }

There are two main things that make me want to call. First is the fact that there is a lot of room for error in this stove. Supporting this villain might see your range as capped at one pair (or maybe bottom two), which he feels can't call an overbet. Yes most people are usually overbetting value hands, but this situation just cries out for a bluff from villain's perspective. You have one of your best bluff catchers, although not having As would make it even better AsAh is still good enough.
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10-10-2012 , 05:53 PM
Pretty easy fold OTR, with the given reads, almost never good here against this vill. His first overbet definitely skews his range more towards value. Also with the As you cut down on bluff combos.

Second of all, *** range is off, including things like 82s, 72s, and imo 65o. Although his statement about your range being capped is very true and if you think that the villain will think this you should adjust accordingly.
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10-10-2012 , 06:17 PM
I don't play much HU because for some reason most of the players that will give me action are significantly better than me. I think a lot of people are playing any two suited cards to a min-raise. Is this perception off? I do agree 65o is a bit hopeful to include, which drops our equity to only 41%.
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10-10-2012 , 09:08 PM
hmmm, seems to me this isnt really a stove problem v this particular villain.
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10-10-2012 , 10:09 PM
a lot of times i puss out at the table, but in theory i think this has to be a call.

if he was going for value with 87, Q8, a set, or 69s, i dont think he makes a bet which you (from his pov) arent terribly likely to call. so it makes me think there's enough of a chance he's bricked out or turning a 7 or something into a bluff to make it odds on to call.
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10-11-2012 , 03:57 AM
would he played FD this way?

ofc the same set but apart from reads R ppl playin FD like that HU or 6max??

baord is dry and overpair or 2pairs may fold..
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10-11-2012 , 11:53 AM
I like a small 4bet on flop... make it like $117
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10-12-2012 , 06:10 AM
3 betting the flop sounds reasonable, but I prefer calling. Not folding river.
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10-12-2012 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ***
I don't play much HU because for some reason most of the players that will give me action are significantly better than me. I think a lot of people are playing any two suited cards to a min-raise. Is this perception off? I do agree 65o is a bit hopeful to include, which drops our equity to only 41%.
Yes, most defend all suited cards to a min raise and I think a lot of people will also defend 65o.
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10-12-2012 , 08:00 AM
what kind of hands and how much has he been check-raising? how much has he been defending from the BB (by calling and 3betting - and which types of hands do you put in each range)? did he give up in big pots before? i want to have answers to these questions before deciding to herofold this or not.

some players just dont hit this board but still rep it...

given the board runout and action, i think you look a lot like 7x types of hands. board kinda blanked out and he can vbet qx. so i think its a call.


i also think its fine to raise flop and maybe turn w this hand.
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10-13-2012 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by horse84
what kind of hands and how much has he been check-raising? how much has he been defending from the BB (by calling and 3betting - and which types of hands do you put in each range)? did he give up in big pots before? i want to have answers to these questions before deciding to herofold this or not.
Very hard to say, as we were playing HU on a 6-m tbl to start it an we haven't played that many hands together, so there are really only some superficial reads I gained from which I could only extrapolate.
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10-13-2012 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by horse84
given the board runout and action, i think you look a lot like 7x types of hands. board kinda blanked out and he can vbet qx. so i think its a call.
I'm not a headsup master but what the reason to overbet top pair against a mediocre showdown value hand? Why not just 2\3 pot otr and feel nice after call rather than trying to fold out weak bluffcatchers and probably getting called only by better hands. The reason of balance isn't big: they played on a broken table, not a Hu match and it's party where you could change sn once in a month
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10-13-2012 , 03:51 AM
Id say described player has bare Qx ~never and its also a really bad spot to 2.2x jam KQ even for ppl who obet a fair bit
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10-13-2012 , 07:43 AM
i dont think its a bad spot to overbet river w kq if your opponent is very stationy and you have shown to be bluffhappy.... the ev of a 240-270$ bet otr would still be higher i guess..


considering the whole 6m table dynamic:
if its a broken table and you guys are not going to continue playing, im probably folding at some point
if you regularly get action from him, im more likely to call

genarlly speaking most 6m regs will probably have too few bluffs here
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10-17-2012 , 07:56 AM
I am unsure if the people saying call actually read the description of villain properly? This villain probably has like 1%~ bluffs here and we have a bluffcatcher...
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10-17-2012 , 08:10 AM
call call call call
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10-17-2012 , 08:54 AM
Theorywise: call, don't think you have better than AA more than 1/3 of the time.

Exploitatively: call, villain doesn't have too many value hands that this makes sense with + he can certainly spew as you don't have that many hands that are happy calling a 2x pot overbet.
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10-17-2012 , 11:09 AM
Seems like villain wants to rep a very strong hand, but in reality he wouldn't overbet shove. Call.
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10-17-2012 , 11:26 AM
3b flop obv. As played i'd call.
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10-17-2012 , 08:26 PM
+1 oldjude. Definitely 3bet flop, many worse hands are going to put a lot of money in.
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10-18-2012 , 01:18 AM
Eh about getting it in otf, nice to have stronger hands like this when simply calling and we both have a bunch of draws, I don't think he's necessarily c/ring 8x otf either, knowing his flop c/r would help. His get in range is basically big combo draws and 87/sets, I'd prefer 3 betting the flop 100 eff and calling flop raising good turns at this depth. As played snapples, he 3 bets 77/88 a decent bit, bets turn bigger for value often and this ob size just seems so fos, only way to get a fold etc
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10-18-2012 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
bets turn bigger for value often etc
this.
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10-18-2012 , 01:40 PM
i'd raise call turn
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