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200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep 200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep

09-27-2014 , 10:28 PM
Villain is 24/19/2.7 over 1,900 hands. Other stats:

Cold Call = 9%; Call BB vs. Steal = 23%; 3bet = 6%; 3bet SB vs. Steal = 11%; 3bet BB vs. Steal = 6%; Fold to Flop CBet = 52%; Raise Flop CBet = 7%. he has called turn cbet 3 times out of 4 and folded the other time. He has folded to the only river cbet I have seen him face.


Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.


    $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (CO): $396.33 (198.2 bb)
    BTN: $270.55 (135.3 bb)
    SB: $185.10 (92.6 bb)
    BB: $263.90 (132 bb)
    MP: $584.22 (292.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
    MP folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB calls $4

    Flop: ($13) T 2 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

    Turn: ($29) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $21, BB calls $21

    River: ($71) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $56, BB raises to $228.90 and is all-in, Hero ???

    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    09-28-2014 , 12:29 AM
    what is your value range here? QQ+? JJ+? flushes+? seems like a good place to start, although his tendencies may be more important here.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    09-28-2014 , 01:39 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by terp
    what is your value range here? QQ+? JJ+? flushes+? seems like a good place to start, although his tendencies may be more important here.
    In a vacuum I think I'm pretty easily value betting QJ+.


    Unfortunately I really can't say much about his tendencies. This year I've been playing on two sites. I'd call one of them my main site that I play the most hands on and the other the other site that maybe I have a table or 2 going. This is on the other site and I just haven't payed as much attention to the games on this one and don't have as good a feel for the players.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    09-28-2014 , 12:55 PM
    Fold, even though he's not repping much since sets usually raise the flop people just don't bluff in this spot anywhere near often enough to justify calling. He has JT here like 75% of the time imo. You can easily have a full house here so he's never CRing worse for value and I just don't see this being a bluff very often at all, especially since you have the Ac. I only call here if villain is a spewy fish.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-06-2014 , 09:21 AM
    Super-standard-in-line-reg always has JT here in my experience.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-06-2014 , 05:19 PM
    Easy fold
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-07-2014 , 03:40 PM
    Feels Like I already commented on this thread

    Standard fold imo
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-07-2014 , 11:55 PM
    All those stats don't say anything more than he is the most standard reg ever. That said, most default regs don't make these kind of bluffs with any frequency. I'd rather call with QJ for the blocker.

    Additional questions to consider:
    -Is he ever calling pre with JTo?
    -If he almost always raising the flop with a set?
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-08-2014 , 03:41 PM
    fistpump timebank, then fold showing one card the Q of spades
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-10-2014 , 11:00 AM
    think its a spot that gets underbluffed also he should have all of 22/66/TT/JT
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 07:31 AM
    ive been running some calculations on the GTO megamaster 3000 and this is a call
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 03:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb
    ive been running some calculations on the GTO megamaster 3000 and this is a call
    **** GTO, everytime I call this spot villain has boat.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 05:23 PM
    GTO says call. Most people don't bluff at the right frequency here. Against most people it's a fold then. Against those capable of bluffing its a call.
    That simple.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 06:31 PM
    Hey Minsk do you play on WPN under a similar sn?
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 09:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Minsk
    GTO says call.
    show your work
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-11-2014 , 10:15 PM
    Yeah I do. No I wont show you anything.
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-12-2014 , 02:22 AM
    Ahh cool played with you some
    200NL Hand; Nut Flush on paired board gets check/raised on river 130 big blinds deep Quote
    10-14-2014 , 02:00 AM
    Despite the fact he's only repping 6 combos of JT and 3 combos of 22-66 (given the fact that some of them will play aggressively on the flop), I can't imagine him bluffing a hand here.
    He doesn't have many busted draws, 98 possibly and only the suited combos (given his stats in the BB) and one of them has a flush, the other draws such as 54s, 53s, 97s, 87s are not calling the turn.
    He must be converting hands into bluff such as Tx, possibly a Jx, because of blockers, to justify your call and I pretty much doubt that a player of his characteristics does something like that in this spot given the fact that your sequence looks pretty strong.
    In case you have HM2, I would use the stat of WSD when raise river but you need a big sample for that and I don't think 1900 hands is enough, but just in case you have a big sample of someone, I would use that stat.

    I think it's a pretty standard fold.
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    10-15-2014 , 09:21 PM
    Think it's a fold, you have better bluffcatchers to call with
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