Middle Position(200 BB) $1000
Hero Lo-Jack(130 BB) $650
Villain SB(300 BB) $1500

Middle position is an old man over 60 Y/O who likes to take stabs but folds to aggression. Villian in this hand, is a 30ish Bad nitty pro, who is probably a small winner in the game just by taking advantage of bad players. Hero is down a couple of buy-ins already today and has a spewy image, which is not too far from the truth. Game is playing loose and extremely aggressive.

We're playing 2/5 with a $10 mandotary UTG straddle. Game is playing loose and extremely aggressive.

MP raises to $30, Hero looks down at 3c3s and calls in the HJ. In retrospect, should have 3 bet but anyways V1 calls in the SB. Everyone else folds. Pot $105

Flop is 10c 3d 4h

Villain checks. MP checks. Hero thinks and checks behind. Two nitty players don't have a very wide continuing range here and even though I would love to build a pot, I would lose both most of the time. Mistake?

Turn is 9d

Villain leads out for $40, MP folds, Hero raises to $125 for value. Villain calls.

River is 8c

Villain leads out for $350. Hero goes in the tank. After about a minute or two Villain asks 10 9? and then proceeds to say that he would like to help me out and show a red 7. Not sure if it was diamond or heart. It was damn far with the dealer in the middle. Hero?

Build the pot on the flop. In a loose game with a spewy image, it is probably the better move here.

As played this is completely read dependent. Although the red 7 is slightly confusing, he easily could have a straight here. In the moment I probably spew call, but I think folding is probably better.

Don't 3b pre

Flop check is fine to do occasionally but depends on villains. Vs nitty villains, you're sometimes freerolling yourself because they likely have hands (for example 66-88) that are never putting in another cent into the pot unless they are ahead. Vs more aggressive villains who will take stabs on the turn and river once it checks through or people who are good enough to bet a 9 or T for value for two streets, it's not a terrible idea. But obv there's nothing wrong with just trying to build a pot now too.

River I would just fold, he's not showing you a bad card to try to get you to fold.

op,buddy, you butchered the **** out of this hand.

first things first, never 3b this hand pre at this stack depth. (good job not doing that)

always bet this flop, based on your stack depth 1/3 pot would be roughly the optimal sizing. you want to grab the betting initiative and set up three streets of value. there is absolutely no benefit to trying to get tricky here.

as played, raising turn is terrible. villain will have a lot of hands in his betting range here that he will fire again on river as a bluff. you do not want to fold these hands out.

river you can make an exploitative fold. if your image is spewy villain probably expects you to call, these types of opponents who volunteer information on the river are almost never bluffing. muck it and bet the flop next time.

^ the exact move. Idk why anyone would ever check the flop with a set on a loose board... you let him catch up with 76 or 7J... Fold river.

Thanks everyone for the input!!!

I still feel there's no value in betting on that board vs two nitty players. Other than a 10, we're not getting value from anything. Its +EV to induce. Not all the time, but I feel this is a good spot. Raise on the turn is questionable for sure if thats the line we're taking.

Anyways I folded after he showed the 7 which most likely was the 7 of diamonds and Villain picked up a flush draw on the turn along with his straight.

Well played. Fold river

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Against nits the only way you'll loosen them up is wait you won't. If you get involved with them you have to go for value when you are ahead since they are never putting their stack in without the nuts. It's a reverse freeroll. **** the flop feature just bet it. They can slowplay JJ or QQ here.

You're getting called by 56 and since you are viewed as spewy, 4x could also call.

You keep calling these villains nitty, and you are considered spewy, how effective do you really think your bluff inducement is likely to be?

In this situation I'd rather risk losing a single, small bluff bet instead of risk giving up 2/3 streets of value against a villain with a calling-strength hand.

p.s. as played, fold. What do you think a "bad, nitty pro" has here that you can beat, especially when you have a spewy image? Does it make sense for him to have played 97/87/77/75/74 this way?

I don't get the line here. You're admitting that you're giving off an image as a spewy, bumbling idiot, then why would you not bet the flop 3/4 pot and induce a check raise? I mean, even without someone going for the check raise you're probably getting called by 88 or 99 on that board if your table image is what you're saying it is. What's the point of building up an image if you're not going to use it to your advantage?

At that point, you can attack them again harder on the turn since another straight draw opened up with the flush draw, and if they call you both times you don't have to worry so much about river straights. I don't care how spewy your image is, not many players are going to call your flop and turn and then make a straight or flush on that board (flush after calling through with a pair is much more likely if the diamond had hit).

Some of you people get way too fancy.

just bet your hand OTF

3 bet pre, why?

Bet the flop for Christ sake!!!! Maybe first to act I check but come on, get some money into the pot. As others have said, if the game is so juicy, BET!!!

One the turn, raise more...

On the river it is really player dependent. I think I am leaning towards a fold. Big bet, shows a card that connects, and the way you played it....I'm Folding...