SB ($1,300)
BB ($428)
UTG ($970)
UTG+1 ($1,000)
Hero ($1,087)
BTN ($1,057)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, UTG+1 raises to $30, Hero calls $30, fold, SB calls $25, BB calls $20

FLOP ($120) 4 3 8

SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $80,

UTG+1 wins $117

Reads: Villain is 17/15 opening 16% from MP and cbet of 80%. What to do? Sb is a good reg, BB is a huge fish.

i dont see any other option apart from call

Math can answer this question almost definitively. I'd guess it's a fold though.

I always click call, but I wouldn't be surprised if folding is better.

yeah maybe TT is bad hand to call flop with. i do hate folding pairs - and any overpair. can we think of any hands that are better than TT to call the flop with that we DO call with pf (i don't play 6max much; would you ever have 75hh here?)

so agaisnt someone who c-bets 80% we are folding everything apart from sets and some combo's AA/KK ?

^^

he seems tight (17/15)

it would be really nice to have a gutshot/backdoor-flushdraw

i'd probably call flop because i'm stubborn and fold if i am unsetted next street and maybe/hopefully next street checks through..

It would help to know the c-bet turn figure. If it's fairly low then you'll probably make enough correct decisions later in the hand to call the flop. If it's a bit higher then folding maybe better.

I don't think folding is a mistake. Calling will often put you in a tough spot on turn against a barrel, what is the % ?


Against a 17/15 who cbet in 4way pot 843o, TT is just a fold i think.

16% is something like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AJo+,KQo
If he only c-bets 88+,44-33,AQs+,AcJc,AhJh,AsJs,AcTc,AhTh,AsTs,A5s,A2s,KcQc ,KhQh,KsQs,AQo+ which is roughly 50% of his opening range we have 50% equity on the flop.
also i guess he will play pretty honestly on the turn + river as you are never floating air here and will have almost only sets and Overpairs in your range.
i click call, but may be wrong.

Folding is terrible.
80%cbet is A LOT.

We can still make the nuts and stack him.
We can turn our hand into a bluff at any point if we're not happy with it.

?? profit ??

Edit: Hmpft, if we call it's just sooo easy for the SB to C/R us. But if SB and BB are in line and honest, calling is better than folding. If SB is a good active player, folding yeah might be a little bit better.

Edit2: Hmpft, given a cbet and his stats, and a call from hero does make an easy C/R less appealing for SB. But still a tiny raise would still be profitable for him

I still think folding is atrocious

Thinking that a player who cbets 80% is, cbetting 80% of his opening range 4 ways is fairly absurd.

It's not going to be 80% but he's still cbetting ALL pocket pairs and probably AKs, AQs (,AJs) with backdoors wich make up a decent amount of his 16% opening range

Why on earth would you think he is betting ALL pocket pairs and any two big cards? I mean, that is almost all of his UTG + 1 opening range - you realise that the 16% is an average and he's opening much less here right?