1000NL - Board is xxJ[J][J], holding KK facing shove

[TensRUs]

4 handed

Villain is another 2+2er, goes for comically thin value sometimes. Balances his ck/r, leading, and flatting range well.

Previous hands, 5 handed:

1) I iso'd to $60 OTB with QQ and he defended his BB with KJ. He ck/r'd a K49 flop, checked a 4 ott, then jammed a K otr.

2) Villain raised to $35 UTG with JJ, I called OTB, as well as SB. We all checked a T9x flop. He bet a blank turn...me and SB called...then he bet 1/3rd pot on 9o river.

3) Villain raised to $35 UTG with 55, got 3 callers. Ck/r'd a Q85r flop, initial bettor jammed and he called obv.

4) Villain opened to $35 in the HJ with K8c, I defend my SB with 99. Flop came A63, he bet and I called. Turn came a K, ck/b/c again. We both ck'd blank river.

Villain usually doesn't ck/r that often and plays hands at face value, betting out...but was ck/r'ing all night to mix things up I guess.

Here's the main hand:

CO folds
BTN/Hero KK raises to $30
SB folds
BB/Villain calls

FLOP - J93

Villain bets $40
Hero calls (Pot = $145)

TURN - J93J

Villain bets $75
Hero calls (Pot = $295)

RIVER - J93JJ

Villain shoves for $280 effec.
Hero?

When the river came out, I said "Great, now he has quads"...after that he smirked, asked for a count, then moved all in.

[Deathtonight214]

Never ever folding here. You have 3rd nuts, and are considering folding against an aggressive reg who goes for thin value?

[RAW_FORCE]

the problem is one of you started the hand with $425. very clearly a snap call

[Terrabon98]

Maybe I've been out of the game too long, but this looks like an insta-call. Your hand is way underrepped, and he is value shoving with a good chunk of hands here...

I mean, what would you do in his situation with A9, 1010, QQ? He has one PSB left on the river...easy shove with any of those

[NxtWrldChamp]

our hand is under repped?

[Terrabon98]

Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp

our hand is under repped?

yes.

[NxtWrldChamp]

To me when we are under repped that means that we have a hand that is stronger than villain is expecting us to show up with given how we have played the hand. Barring raising the flop, I don't see any other way to play any of our strong hands here(Jx,TT+) so I just wouldn't consider our hand under repped.

[shipit2kg]

obv you right...this is how we continue with our value range, thus meaning our hand is what it is, uncapped, whatever, etc.

snap river, 40bb eff?? standard, move on

[HollywoodHogan]

it's funny to me how lesser players never consider folding (at least that's how it appears to me when they insta-call) in spots that are easy folds but then try to hero fold in spots that are easy calls.

the guy is playing deceptive and doing c/r stuff for value; his bet/bet/bet line is a bluff. even if we had zero reads, you're so far ahead of his range it's silly. if he has a jack nh gg

[bigmuff]

Why is this hand even thread worthy or am I missing something obvious? Even if you call here and are wrong it's only 28 BB.

[TensRUs]

Yeah, in the HH I'm actually the villain and had JT. My friend tanked for the longest time...maybe like 2-3 mins before calling. To me, it seems like a snap call ainec, and I can't fathom anyone tanking for that long with KK...which is why I made the thread. He's a lot better than I am, so that's why I bothered making this thread to get more opinions instead of just saying "lol wut a nit", since our thought processes are different.

Oh, and not like it matters much, but it was actually a 6 otf instead of a 9

[NxtWrldChamp]

Changing 9 to a 6 could matter, it makes it harder for villain to be bluffing. Less straight draws that he ends up with on the river that he is tempted to bluff with. More importantly who takes line for value with worse very often? Very few in my experience. And then when you take into account not many people donk bluff 3 streets into the pfr on a J 6 3 J J board because everyone knows nobody folds boats it makes this(imo) not as big of a snap as everyone else.

[ArtPlay]

6 changes a tad cuz he's less likely to go for "comically thin value" with 6x than he is with 9x.

Even if in both cases, the odds are slim.

[tzwien]

Either you have a huge tell or he's not as good as you say he is. Tanking here would be insane getting 2 to 1 with 42bbs starting the hand. I hope that chit chat on the river had something to do with it.

[AAron the B]

it's def still a snap