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Old 03-14-2017, 12:09 AM   #1
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Cool 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

Full Ring 1-3 NL cash game. Table is playing fast with big pots.
Button: 200 BB smart player capable or big bets with very little 36 year old Vietnamese.

UTG: 200 BB plays ATC with any size bet. Not a maniac, but ATC through flop. 38 year old white guys cliams to be cop.

HJ Hero: 150BB ABC player waiting for spot...has watched above two push him off pots with air and call bottom pair to river. 50 year old ABC player. Chips stacked nicely and doesn't get out of line.

Image of hero is ABC player who can be pushed around but only gets involved big pots with nuts.

Hero flat calls 1bb with AQo after 4 limpers in HJ.
Button raises another 12bb or $35 on top
UTG calls....
Hero calls... $115 in pot

Flop A 9 4 rainbow
UTG checks
Hero leads out 1/2 pot size bet of $50.( Hero has Top Pair Q kicker)
Button min raises to $100
UTG calls.
Hero...?

So there is 130bb or $360 in pot and $50 for hero to call. Both players have Hero covered. What should Hero do?

Fold.
Call.
Raise
(Should of folded pre-flop with AQo to raise and call )

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:28 AM   #2
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

Raise pre? Don't lead out the flop. I'd say just fold so you avoid making turn and river mistakes.

Are there populations reads based on race or something? I don't understand the purpose of adding a racial identifier to live hand histories.
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:48 AM   #3
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

Asian peeps tend to gamble, older dudes tend to be nits, beardy swedes splash around.

Of course it's relevant, the more concrete information you have the less it is, but it still constitutes an interesting bit of a priori information.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:30 AM   #4
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

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Raise pre? Don't lead out the flop. I'd say just fold so you avoid making turn and river mistakes.

Are there populations reads based on race or something? I don't understand the purpose of adding a racial identifier to live hand histories.



Lol at what pansies some people are. You're just ridiculous
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Old 03-14-2017, 11:29 AM   #5
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

White mares: hindsight is 100% and you are right, I should of folded on flop and preflop. Problem is, these two would played ATC same way. In my mind, I picked my spot and was wrong...my bad....

Here is how hand played out.
Hero called $50 reraise and $400 in pot with $300 behind each player hero having less.

Turn 6.

Check, check,
Button bets $200..
UTG calls.
Hero believes he is ahead of both preflop ranges and at this getting 5:1 to call. I probably rushed my decision and didn't think it through and didn't think about what they could have after flop...I just didn't want to get pushed off winning hand again.

$800 in pot.

River Q.

Button goes all in for less 100, UTG calls,
I call all in less than $30.

I Show Two pair AQ
UTG wins with 99 for Set.
Button mucks and I ask to see hand and shows A7 off suit.

So initial re-raiser, BTN, was gambling and trying to push us off with worse hand.
UTG got lucky with Set. He would of played pocket 10s-KK same way I believe.

While I could of folded preflop.... not sure I should of folded. Maybe reraise BTN. But UTG would of called to see flop.

However, I pulled up a poker calculator after hand and now learned (for first time) that in a 3 way pot preflop the following is true.
If another player has an A and another any pocket pair - My equity is 33% against pocket pair 55% and now knowing this...I might fold preflop knowing that with these two players my chips are going all in no matter what the flop....which is gambling...

So I learned something by sharing. Ty.

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Old 03-14-2017, 11:43 AM   #6
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

I play in San Francisco and yes ethnic background can be helpful. Many Vietnamese and Filipino have a bit of gamble in them versus Chinese who are a tad more conservative but more gamble than many Caucasians from America.
Russians and Eastern Block have lots of gamble too- but I have limited experience.

Often times, I am only Caucasian in full ring with Asians in the Bay Area.
There are nitty games too - table selection is always crucial. I like tables with lots of gamble!!
Older Chinese guys can be tough as nails...they love trapping with premium hands for stacks.

Age plays factor too. Older = tighter and younger = more aggressive.
I'm an old white guy and thus tighter and can be perceived as being pushed around when have a marginal hand bad kicker middle pair.
As long as I am aware of my image I can use it to my advantage.

Many Asians also feel lucky with certain hands or numbers or combinations of their cards. I don't believe in 88 pocket pair being any luckier than 77 or JJ. But if find a player that will call 88 all the way down to river with two over cards because they believe in some Devine intervention.....yahoo!

Just like knowing some 45-60 gentlemen luv playing J5 as it reminds them of Michael Jackson. Again, player specific tendencies but also some correlation with ethnicity and age.

Hope this helps eliminate any ambiguity in previous post.

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Old 03-17-2017, 03:27 AM   #7
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

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White mares: hindsight is 100% and you are right, I should of folded on flop and preflop. Problem is, these two would played ATC same way. In my mind, I picked my spot and was wrong...my bad....

Here is how hand played out.
Hero called $50 reraise and $400 in pot with $300 behind each player hero having less.

Turn 6.

Check, check,
Button bets $200..
UTG calls.
Hero believes he is ahead of both preflop ranges and at this getting 5:1 to call. I probably rushed my decision and didn't think it through and didn't think about what they could have after flop...I just didn't want to get pushed off winning hand again.

$800 in pot.

River Q.

Button goes all in for less 100, UTG calls,
I call all in less than $30.

I Show Two pair AQ
UTG wins with 99 for Set.
Button mucks and I ask to see hand and shows A7 off suit.

So initial re-raiser, BTN, was gambling and trying to push us off with worse hand.
UTG got lucky with Set. He would of played pocket 10s-KK same way I believe.

While I could of folded preflop.... not sure I should of folded. Maybe reraise BTN. But UTG would of called to see flop.

However, I pulled up a poker calculator after hand and now learned (for first time) that in a 3 way pot preflop the following is true.
If another player has an A and another any pocket pair - My equity is 33% against pocket pair 55% and now knowing this...I might fold preflop knowing that with these two players my chips are going all in no matter what the flop....which is gambling...

So I learned something by sharing. Ty.
Why do you even think folding pre is an option? Also your logic here is not sound because btb could have 77 88 99 TT JJ KJ KQ. Yeah sure given the specific hands you should fold? Even at 33% it's even money if you get it all in. You have to raise this hand pre on your first action or 3 bet yourself pre. If you get 3 bet you have to call oop. As played id prob lose my stack but I would never play this this way

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Old 03-17-2017, 11:50 AM   #8
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Re: 1-3 NL AQo. What would you do?

Thank you for sharing. I appreciate your perspective!
Yes, I could of played it more aggressively as you suggest.

Everything is so situational. Those chips were going in no matter what on that hand from UTG and HERO.

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Old 03-17-2017, 05:46 PM   #9
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Lol at what pansies some people are. You're just ridiculous
I guess that level was a little bit over your head.
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Are there populations reads based on race or something? I don't understand the purpose of adding a racial identifier to live hand histories.
I guess that level was a little bit over your head.
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