ive simply stopped moving up to nl600 and above.

works perfectly imo. i recommend a lot more tagfish moving over from party. i welcome yall

Not only do the games pretty much suck most of the time now, but people are still recommending it as the "easiest site" in those stupid threads where people ask.

Its not fair

I think the difference is regulars on ipoker are more exploitable (read worst) than regulars on other websites even if they are so many.
Problem is that there are these races expecially on noiqpoker...I played in days without races (1-4may) and games were good or maybe just a wrong impression because of small sample.I played a bit also on stars referred by many like the worst website to play cash but doesn t seem so bad.
Maybe the best is playing on usa sites when is night there and on european sites when is night in europe.
I was on party at the beginning of last year and games were bad don t know now.

Yeah not even close to the easiest. I've been trying out some other sites recently and FTP MSNL with game selection is far softer than Ipoker MSNL.

thanks raze.
i was feeling pretty down about the whole ipoker situation yesterday. i remember for the first few months i was playing there, i would sit down at 5/10 tables and it wasnt uncommon to have a table full of fish with decent sized stacks.

but then i looked at my graph, and i essentially made 1/4 of a million in 10 months. made me feel better.

this happens all the time in the poker world, it's just a natural cycle and the way things flow. fish gather in one place, grinders hear about it, grinders eat fish, grinders move on because of too many grinders. a good year ago, Cryptologic was unbelievably soft at upper midstakes. It was like this for a good while but slowly and surely you would come to expect sitting at a table full of grinders. They still have not recovered, crypto is completely inbred with regulars hogging all the action against each other. If you want to play with fish, you have to keep your ears open all the time and island hop from site to site. and when you do, don't tell anyone about it, that's how the infection starts.

that said, ipoker is still my home site and I will stay there until midstakes dries up completely. Right now it's nowhere near dried up, I've gotten tons of action there the last month.

It seems like we all have very different ideas of what constitutes a 'good' site or table. Can you guys who love/hate iPoker give some details on your criteria for conversations' sake?

If I can consistently get four 3/6 tables with position on just one fish with 50bb+, I probably stick with the site - even if I have to run through every table on the site to find them.

tbh, its not even the fish drying up that bothers me. its these shortstacking ******s that buy in for 30bbs, and make it 15 bb every time you raise. tilts the hell out of me.

U guys just suck at poker or maybe i am taking all the money on ipoker

games drying up probably dont effect you as much @ the 10/20 + level. 5/10 is redic now. there's value, but not much.

If u cant win on ipoker u probably cant win in a live game with farm animals!!!

what do you play, 1/2?

btw, did you see my graph from the last 11 months?

I'm up over 150k in the past 12 months from 1/2-3/6, but the games now are nothing like they were 9 months ago. I used to logon and have 4 fish at 8 tables in the MSNL games. Now I'm pretty amn happy to have 1 fish at half my tables.

not impressive

never said it was. the guy was saying that i cant beat ipoker though, and how easy it is. the 2nd graph shows just how much harder its gotten in the last few months (running bad too during that time.)

relax guy

prolly more variance than you might think. being a decent winner to being a breakeven rb whore doesnt happen overnight. + i think you are very decent. played you on 3/6 sometimes when i was still playing as bballtimmy. you told me how horrible i was. i got better since

i think this:

sums it up pretty well. but its the same at pretty much every site tbh. be it party or whatever. this is not an ipoker phenomenon. there simply are a ****ton of marginal winners at every level that are horrible compared to the good regs at the same level.

i stopped trying to move up to nl600 or nl1k but beat the hell out of nl400.

there arent a ton of real fish but if youre not a by the book tagfish idiot theres a ton of value there.

i regularly got beaten up by some of the nl600/1k players but totally own nl400.

you have up to nl200. then you have nl400. and then you have nl600+ (def differences btw nl1k and 5k as well ofc but i dont know about these first hand ldo)

nl400 is pretty much the cutoff limit that has a decent amount of recreational/bad fish and on the other hand for this very reason have a lot of idiot bad regs. they are marginal winners because of the fish but lose to a lot of other regs.

at nl600+ everyone pretty much knows what they are doing and therefore the edges get supersmall. if the supply of real fish dries up this kills the games obv.

the cycle thing somebody mentioned definitely exists.

i havent checked ftp for a long time. i imagine tho that a lot of the "oh you guys have party we americans are so jealous" talk is utter bull****. they know that their games arent that bad but they arent that stupid to tell each and everyone that the games are good.

i know of two other sites that have decent traffic and have a fish to reg ratio thats basically heaven. ofc i wont tell you the names of the sites. why would i.

well that was a lot of blabber and i dont know about the state of the nl1k games at ipoker but i think everyone that has a distinct edge on the majority of the other regs at his limit should do well regardless of other factors.

2eazy you sound like a huge douche btw but for a player as good as you are there will prolly never be a time that you will find games to be unbeatable. congratulations.

nice post. i remember you well. you were pretty dangerous. you probably just did something suspect and got lucky or something.

PM me that site and i will teach you you to beat nL 1k lol

WOW the guys at ipoker are listening, i see 50bb MIN tables!!!
just wow.. im speechless

Value or not the games are def less entertaining!

the avg skill level on party/ftp/stars is def higher but w/ decent table selection you'll find really juicy entertaining games!

I do think those dumb rake races (what a dumb sh*t???!!1 wtf why do people not realize how stupid this is...) finally killed the games.


to keep a healthy poker ecosystem alive you have to recycle the fish.

party uses reload boni, no hu tables, instant deposit option, etc
ftp 27% rakeback and their redname pros
and stars with their great torunament landscape will always have big donators who just won a donkament

the impact of ps.cc (int. training site) is also massive.
a lot of semi decent tag fishies in nl50-nl200 games take out too much money of the site.


people should really start to realize how important it is to keep the fish playing!

My mostfeared playerlist of NL 1k :

Dalael
AcesPlz1990
Mattmys
Blacky00
fellan
TTR61682905 ( not sure, i think he is new, could be a bad player but all i saw was very solid)
WantAReceipt
petwussy
Dhara
Blacky00

If you have any special reads on any of them, let me hear.


Also there are some new 30BB Shortstackers. They play very loose ( ~28/26) and stick it in very fast. I am not sure wheter this guys just suck or find a good way to make tons of money.
Pepecu, noxam,aFruAtEd ( not sure). There are 2 other guys with same stats but at the moment i don´t remember their nicknames. I talked to some math guys and they said me that shortstacking with 30 BB and 28/26 is way behind an optimal shortstacking strategy but these guys play many hands and i´m not sure what to think about them.

bleh i never make it into the top 10 regs on Ipoker...i really need to improve...or maybe run hotter
But yea games do definatly suk. weekends used to be like party poker era with 10-20BI not unheard of on a regular bassis, nw im luky if i break even with the above players hogging ALL of the 5/10 games, 2 fish at 5/10 is about the best ive seen it. maybe those SSers are the new fish i dont know.. :s

what´s your nick fearless?