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Old 04-09-2017, 04:59 AM   #1
Berry Blossom
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98s line check

Live 10/20. Villain on btn with ~$8k effective. He is a solid pro. I'm in the BB with ~$10k effective.

Preflop: Btn raises to $60, I 3bet w/ 98c to $220 in BB. Btn calls

Pot: $440

Flop: 8h 8d Jh

I bet $300, Btn calls

Pot:$1040

Turn: Qh

I bet $600, Btn calls

$2240

River: Td

I bet $1300, Btn calls

Pot $4640

Thoughts?
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:31 PM   #2
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Re: 98s line check

Seems fine.

Turn and river can be a little bigger since you're going to be fairly polarized here, esp river.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: 98s line check

I'd 3bet smaller pre, like 180-200. Cbet flop smaller as welll


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Old 04-11-2017, 06:42 AM   #4
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Re: 98s line check

3x too small imo being OOP, esp deep. I like using 3.33-3.5x.

I think flop is fine. We arent betting with a lot of our range, and when we do wr should size it a little. Flop hits his range better than ours
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Old 04-12-2017, 04:13 AM   #5
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Re: 98s line check

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Seems fine.

Turn and river can be a little bigger since you're going to be fairly polarized here, esp river.
Should we be polarised on this river? I can't think of many bluffs we'd have and there are plenty of value combos, especially if we're betting the low straight.
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Old 04-12-2017, 12:31 PM   #6
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Should we be polarised on this river? I can't think of many bluffs we'd have and there are plenty of value combos, especially if we're betting the low straight.
Do you think the low straight has enough value to be betting here? Would a c/c or even c/f on river be better here?
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:24 PM   #7
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Re: 98s line check

I think I would check, just not enough value from worse hands and all better will obviously call you down. X/f is probably best, I don't really like x/c at all. X/r is worth some consideration, it puts a flush in a pretty awkward spot. The obvious concern with this is that good hand readers will find it hard to believe that you'd play QQ or JJ this way.
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Old 04-17-2017, 01:19 PM   #8
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Re: 98s line check

All in all, the run out is not the best but it could be worse. Flop, turn, and river seem standard. I like betting river more than checking river. If I check the river, it is probably to x/c depending on the size of the bet. Always a little dicey with the flush and turn hitting on sequential streets.

What I am curious about is what you were thinking during the hand on turn/river to continue betting? What was the result of the showdown?
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:00 PM   #9
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Re: 98s line check

Pre is fine (can 3bet a little higher this deep OOP), slightly smaller sizing on flop, turn sizing should be bigger if we do bet (I slightly prefer a check), river check decide. Our range is very strong on this board and we are actually at the bottom of our value range with this specific hand when we triple. Generally, we wanna put in fewer thin value bets when our perceived range is strong.
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Old 04-18-2017, 04:45 PM   #10
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Re: 98s line check

Thoughts: PF I was assuming he 4-bets in position AA/KK AK, maybe AQs, QQ, and maybe JJ. So, on the boards run-out really the only hands he has that are beating us here are JJ, AQh-ATh, A2h-A5h (this was the range I perceived at least), but there are other value hands potentially such as AJ with Ah that is calling flop/turn. Hands I see calling both flop and turn that we're beating: AJ, KJ, QJ, 9Ts (even though we have a 9 blocker); all-in-all more hands than beat us here. However, now that I look back on it I think Flop and Turn are fine, but my perceived range is wayyyyy too strong on the river here to be betting with a straight; what hands do I have that I'm betting Flop and Turn that didn't get made by River? I think the answer here is close to none. So now looking back on it I think I prefer Flop bet, turn bet, river x/f unless the price is good.

Result: He calls down with A5h for the nut flush
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:09 AM   #11
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Re: 98s line check

Check riv
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:55 PM   #12
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Re: 98s line check

Yeah I just don't see worse hands calling us on river
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