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5-10 AK TPTK vs 3 bet cold callers 5-10 AK TPTK vs 3 bet cold callers

08-09-2017 , 08:32 PM
9 handed live game

Co raises to 40
Hero SB - 3bet 125
BB - Flats the 125

Co calls as well


Hero has AKo

Flop

A T 5 ss ( i have no spade) Pot ~$375

Hero Cbet $275

BB Calls

CO folds.

Turn Qs Pot $925

Hero action?

Villian has ~$725 left
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08-09-2017 , 11:38 PM
This spot sucks.

A lot of hands get there.

If you shove, you're really doing so to deny equity to some random 10X, JX, QX, or AX hands that have a spade in them. If called, you're praying it's an AJ, but that's really the only value hand I can think of that you beat, that could also call a shove.

Also all the flushes got here. And 1010 is definitely in villain's range as well as AQ.

Very hard for your to represent a flush, especially if the A was a spade.

Kind of nitty, but I actually might just check with plans to fold if villain jams.

Well played until this spot.
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08-10-2017 , 03:29 PM
Check and Observe. Normally fold.
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08-10-2017 , 05:45 PM
112bb deep in a 3bet pot. My first thought was that this is a standard spot to jam turn. But its hard to find any hands that hero's AK is ahead of. Maybe AcJc only. Hero has AKo (no spades) on an AT5ss Qs board. Assuming the board suits are AhTs5s Qs, then villain only has two combos of flushes: AsKs,AsJs. 3 combos of TT, 3 combos of 55, 1 combo of AA. 6 combos of AK. Maybe 1 combo of AQs. Also, AA might 4bet pre, and 55 should fold pre.

So we are losing to: 2+3+3+1+1=10 (more likely 6 combos) combos and we are chopping with 6 combos of AK.

I don't think villain will fold AK if hero jams turn. Also, I don't think we are getting called by AcJc. So now that I'm thinking about it, maybe we could check turn and fold if villain bets, unfortunately, hero will be check/folding to a chop half the time.
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08-10-2017 , 09:39 PM
Flop bet is way too large putting us in a gross spot. As played, check fold.
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08-13-2017 , 10:15 AM
Probably the worse card in the deck, I think c/f is ok.
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08-15-2017 , 07:52 PM
You're checking this turn hoping for showdown at this point.
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08-16-2017 , 02:27 PM
Your flop bet sizing is where you went wrong. You fold out all weaker hands that flat your 3 bet and are only called by better/drawing hands making this tough to play oop regardess of what comes.

I like checking this flop oop against two players because it under reps my hand and allows them to put money in the pot with worse hands. By checking, you get value from smaller pairs on later streets or two streets of value against a hand like AJ. You're never folding out a flush draw or A10/A5 with a flop bet, so why not keep the hands you beat in their range.

When you c/flat flop it looks like you have a hand like KK, QQ, or JJ. Which makes it less likely that they're going to bluff broadway spades on the turn.

Unless the BB is a maniac, there really aren't too many hands he can show up with here.
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08-17-2017 , 10:59 PM
in game i just shove... thinking about it more its prob a c/f but depends on BB really.... got to be a chop a large % of time vs most villains but the hands really weirdly played by him no matter what.
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08-18-2017 , 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by consigs
Your flop bet sizing is where you went wrong. You fold out all weaker hands that flat your 3 bet and are only called by better/drawing hands making this tough to play oop regardess of what comes.

I like checking this flop oop against two players because it under reps my hand and allows them to put money in the pot with worse hands. By checking, you get value from smaller pairs on later streets or two streets of value against a hand like AJ. You're never folding out a flush draw or A10/A5 with a flop bet, so why not keep the hands you beat in their range.

When you c/flat flop it looks like you have a hand like KK, QQ, or JJ. Which makes it less likely that they're going to bluff broadway spades on the turn.

Unless the BB is a maniac, there really aren't too many hands he can show up with here.
It's a stack size issue though on the bet sizing for the flop. If you bet less on the flop, how are you sizing the turn/river?
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08-18-2017 , 04:56 PM
You mentioned that you don't have the As, so am I right to assume that the As is not on the board?
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08-19-2017 , 12:33 PM
i think your flop bet is too big. you are setting up a turn shove with that bet sizing which puts you in a crappy spot on the turn when a card like this comes. we have to come up with some kind of range for BB to flat a 3bet oop pre flop. 77-JJ maybe AK, AQ, AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs? I think he is calling the flop bet with spade draws and aces. i think he is folding non flush broadway draws to that flop bet. he probably folds JJ as well. I think often times we are up against AK, AQ, AJ, AT and flushes. i would likely check and decide. if we check and he shoves it's probably a fold and i think we are chopping with AK and beating AJ. (he probably isn't shoving AJ tho..)
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08-26-2017 , 05:03 PM
BB cold call ur 3b alarm bells should be going off in your head. he has AK, rarely AQ, AA KK(decided not to 4b pre but unlikely since you block)-1010. He's probably folding AJ here preflop, discount all his suited connectors with spades. He's folding QQ 90% of time to your strong bet on flop.

What cards on the flop were spades?

Shove to deny equity from one pair hands with spade in them/blast him off AK/AQ, you have all the combos of AA and more flushes then BB here.

Last edited by flopturntree; 08-26-2017 at 05:12 PM.
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08-26-2017 , 05:04 PM
When he does have AA (one combo lol, decided not to 4b pre) or 1010 just write it off as a cooler. If he really called you on flop with QQ then hes a losing player anyways and you'll find spots to take his stack later

With that being said he could call you with AK spade and freerolling you on river but shove most profitable play here

Last edited by flopturntree; 08-26-2017 at 05:13 PM.
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