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I agree with this. There was an multi-page episode some weeks ago in that thread where Gamblor engaged in outrageous conspiracy theory in efforts to deny the murder, which had been caught on video, of two Palestinian youths by the IDF. Other posters have been barred from the main forums for advancing conspiracy theories. Here Gamblor is indulging in propagandist conspiracy theory in the denial of a war crime. Save for the scale, this is of the same nature of denials of the holocaust. I called this to the attention of the moderators. They did not respond to me or, as far as I know, to the incident.

Gamblor has a much discussed history of support/defense of eugenics as well, makes broad brush attacks on Arabs (not critical of a particular state but against the ethnicity in the region at large), and even went so far a to make anti-Semitic remarks against Jews who disagree with him:

I reported this to Wookie. Nothing was done.

There is a group of posters that follow me around calling me antisemitic. They never provide a shred of evidence (because there is none). I have reported such a post recently by the poster ikestoys- I got no response from the moderators.

I can see how my post could be considered offensive, but there was no trace of anti-Semitism in it. The post was made on the eve of the end of a ceasefire, with more wanton killing of civilians expected the next day. And so, because such actions are deplorable to me, I made an understandably questionable sounding comparison which had nothing to do with racism against Jews but simply castigating the actions of a state. But unlike Gamblor, who spouts off eugenics and conspiracy propaganda denying war crimes, I get temped.

This is a perfect example of the delusion in deuces' head.

08-11-2014 , 11:00 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by Gamblor

How do you deal with that besides ridicule?

Either repeatedly counter or ignore. lol'ing once, twice, ok. After that it's silly.

08-11-2014 , 11:40 AM

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Gamblor

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Either repeatedly counter or ignore. lol'ing once, twice, ok. After that it's silly.

Ignore is not an option. All it takes is for one person to read his work (evidence itt) to add one more to the throngs of haters who don't see through the dumbassery.

Repeatedly counter also not an option. It's too exhausting. It's like trying to stop thousands of rockets and tunnels with just air strikes. A ground assault is clearly required for each tunnel and rocket launch pad.

But your water balloon idea is an inspiration. I am going to drop the e-equivalent of a water balloon on Deuces every time he posts a hate-filled nonsensical rant. And it's going to be fun.

08-11-2014 , 03:56 PM

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Howard Beale

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08-11-2014 , 04:05 PM

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gregorio

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

'secular ashkenazi american suburban'

That's me, right there. There are assuredly a large contingent of Jews that don't consider me Jewish at all and in a way they are right.

But you're as Jewish as secular Jews living in Israel.

08-11-2014 , 04:40 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by gregorio

But you're as Jewish as secular Jews living in Israel.

Of course, but w/o knowing anything about what happens in Israel I can say that I've had conversations w/ very religious (Hasidic) Jews in NYC that I did business with who were ultra-nationalists when it came to Israel. I've related a conversation w/ one that I don't want to take the time to relate again but suffice to say we didn't agree on certain issues. It's not that they don't consider me Jewish (at least to my face) bec in NYC they have to deal w/ ppl like me all of the time but we all know the way it is, if that's a good way to put it.

But there is always The Lubavitchers who specialize in scooping up ppl like me if they can. Got one of my HS buddies, they did.

08-11-2014 , 05:29 PM

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Gamblor

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Originally Posted by gregorio

But you're as Jewish as secular Jews living in Israel.

It's a completely different dynamic, and more important, identity.

Hiloni/secular Israelis see other Jews as still in "exile" and therefore needing to maintain a Jewish identity through rituals and stuff like that. They see themselves, to varying degrees, as living a Jewish life by the very nature of living in Israel and therefore do not place a lot of emphasis on old people religious rituals. Ironically, lots of Israelis become more religious if they move to outside the country.

Other hilonim are aggressively anti-religious. Funny how different people have different opinions, and the US isn't the only country with a diversity of opinions.

I'd bet Howard just sees himself as born Jewish, maybe does a few cultural things to stay connected to his identity, maybe even says a prayer or two at Shabbat dinner or on Yom Kippur purely for cultural reasons. But chances are he doesn't really understand or care what the words mean and what it says in the Torah Law.

One day people will get that being Jewish isn't a religion like Catholicism or Islam. It's much more a national identity with a cultural, geographic, and ethnic components.