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09-15-2016 , 11:18 AM

#201

plaaynde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Setting up a blog in the House of Blogs seems a lot easier than just putting 90% of SMP on ignore.

10% should be enough.

Maybe 20%.

Until guys learn.

09-15-2016 , 11:24 AM

#202

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Failing to write clearly and concisely is not a personality trait. It is quite easy to change - it is called editing before posting.

You know I like to edit my posts afterwards. I also think you are mistaken about this just being about editing.

Quote:

No need for additional top-down rules. Natural consequences are better.

That's one view. My view is that a balance of both rules and natural consequences is required. We inevitably head towards a childish mediocrity on forums if we have no rules. Too many have to get along in a reasonable manner otherwise and that's not going to sustain itself when trolling/abuse is so cheap and easy.

09-15-2016 , 11:29 AM

#203

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Setting up a blog in the House of Blogs seems a lot easier than just putting 90% of SMP on ignore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

10% should be enough.

Maybe 20%.

Until guys learn.

Any reason my blog suggestion is unacceptable? Rather than tone police all of SMP, it's much easier for Masque and the 2-3 posters who appreciate Masque to move to new digs. You guys get your hugbox and the rest of us don't have to slog through word salad.

09-15-2016 , 11:50 AM

#204

plaaynde

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We would lose other opinions then.

Kind ones.

09-15-2016 , 11:52 AM

#205

chezlaw

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To be fair to Trolly, it's a cunning plan with just the one small flaw rather than the two small flaws.

@BTM. Speaking of which I see there's a new series (11) of Red Dwarf.

09-15-2016 , 11:57 AM

#206

BrianTheMick2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

You know I like to edit my posts afterwards. I also think you are mistaken about this just being about editing.

Editing in general works. After posting is fine.

If it isn't just about editing oneself, then I am completely certain that I ought not change my approach. I'm not really moveable on this.

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We have plenty of rules already. No need to add additional ones.

09-15-2016 , 12:00 PM

#207

plaaynde

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The mod has to be a positive example. Then we don't need written rules to a great extent.

09-15-2016 , 12:01 PM

#208

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

We would lose other opinions then.

Kind ones.

What other option do you propose? Turning SMP into a hugbox where no one is allowed to criticize Masque?

09-15-2016 , 12:04 PM

#209

plaaynde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

What other option do you propose? Turning SMP into a hugbox where no one is allowed to criticize Masque?

That post speaks for itself.

09-15-2016 , 12:09 PM

#210

Trolly McTrollson

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Some you aren't prepared to offer any solutions, we might as well lock this thread.

09-15-2016 , 12:10 PM

#211

plaaynde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Some you aren't prepared to offer any solutions, we might as well lock this thread.

Not because just one vague answer, imo.

Just because I didn't offer something witty this time, you shouldn't lose respect in all the future potential posters.

Locking threads is often brutal.

Let it die by itself, when the time comes. Think it will not be long before we get exhausted.

Last edited by plaaynde; 09-15-2016 at 12:15 PM.

09-15-2016 , 12:24 PM

#212

plaaynde

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The solution will probably be I get the posts on some relevant science stuff from masque as PM's. Then I split them up in SMP, for furthering the discussion.

Until you guys get more tolerant.

09-15-2016 , 12:50 PM

#213

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Not sure how I came up in that post. I hadn't noticed that you said anything about Muslims at all. Citation of when you mentioned Muslims?

My only beef with you is that you are consistently extremely inconsiderate of others (readers) when you write and you think that being inconsiderate is something to be proud of.

It ain't that hard to write clearly and concisely.

You act very inconsiderate. You don't heed Masque's calls that some of your behavior about him is unwelcome.

Remember the time in SMP you declared your deep-felt hate for me and I replied that the forum is big enough for the both of us? That's you.

Masque PM'd me months after I mentioned my wife had cancer to checkin on her treatment. That's Masque.

09-15-2016 , 12:53 PM

#214

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by plaaynde

Let him do it masque. It's better for all of us.

If you also block him it will be even better and safer.

If Masque wants, we can form a posse that reminds people their behavior is unwelcome when it happens. All's they can do is try to argue endlessly about it.

09-15-2016 , 12:58 PM

#215

plaaynde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

If Masque wants, we can form a posse that reminds people their behavior is unwelcome when it happens. All's they can do is try to argue endlessly about it.

Problem is the threads should be mainly underailed by personal stuff. Blocking would help deal with the smaller things. Only when **** really is happening we could step up.

09-15-2016 , 01:00 PM

#216

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Not everyone wants that trolly.

The only solution that works for everyone is for those who aren't can't cope with posts to ignore them. There's an option to do that in the spoftware and there are even scripts available to improve on the ignoring. Or you could just ignore them.

If you still have a problom after all that then it's probably because you are trying very hard to find a problom.

Agreed. Masque can just ignore the posters he doesn't like.

09-15-2016 , 01:02 PM

#217

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by plaaynde

Problem is the threads should be mainly underailed by personal stuff.

Of course, but we have no control over them, just as they have no control over Masque. We don't have to involve ourselves in the argument to post a reminder in response. What else can could they do when faced with non-argumentative reminders? Try to claim we are not part of the community we are in?

09-15-2016 , 01:06 PM

#218

plaaynde

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Derailing from the scientific discussion is a real risk. SMP shouldn't become just a white (and black) knighting forum. I'd just like a milieu where guys like masque can flourish. The sarcasm level should probably go down a notch. And the hate.

Thirsting for that.

Last edited by plaaynde; 09-15-2016 at 01:12 PM.

09-15-2016 , 01:12 PM

#219

spanktehbadwookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

Derailing from the scientific discussion is a real risk. SMP shouldn't become just a white knighting forum. I'd just like a milieu where guys like masque can flourish.

Clearly the black knighting is going to keep happening, assuming people are expressing their intentions accurately. So the derailing is going to happen anyway. I'm not sure how, why, and if non-argumentative, measured reminders could make it much worst?

09-15-2016 , 01:14 PM

#220

plaaynde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Believe in people a bit more? Think they aren't that bad after all.

Love your "enemies", man.

I will sting though, when needed.

The "bullies" are also valuable posters, that partly makes this so hard.

Last edited by plaaynde; 09-15-2016 at 01:22 PM.

09-15-2016 , 01:28 PM

#221

spanktehbadwookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

Believe in people a bit more? Think they aren't that bad after all.

Love your "enemies", man.

I will sting though, when needed.

The bullies are also valuable posters, that partly makes this so hard.

I do believe in people generally and I don't perceive people as enemies even if they perceive me that way.

Giving reminders that a person said certain behavior towards them is unwelcome helps reaffirm the good in people to help each other reject unwelcome behavior. Community and friendship. Quite loving.

09-15-2016 , 01:39 PM

#222

plaaynde

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If we start dissecting everything we will get banned.

Thick skin shouldn't be needed though. Decreases sensitivity.

09-15-2016 , 01:42 PM

#223

formula72

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Truly sorry about the family news, Spank.

09-15-2016 , 02:08 PM

#224

spanktehbadwookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by plaaynde

If we start dissecting everything we will get banned.

Thick skin shouldn't be needed though. Decreases sensitivity.

Well it can't be worse than what they are doing based on what has already been presented to be examined.

Why would we get banned for a reminder that certain behavior towards a person are unwelcome in the event of such unwelcome behavior happening?

Unwelcome behavior would therefore be welcome.

Which seems contrary to the point of having social norms which encourage welcoming behavior and discourage unwelcome behavior.