It would also be better if our lungs could breathe water, we could fly by flapping our arms, hangovers weren't a thing and mosquitoes offered a treaty to humanity

It is more likely that I will wake up tomorrow to find that all of those things have happened by tomorrow than that people will stop showing annoyance when they are annoyed by the end of time.

As far as I can translate that into English, I agree. That is exactly why I will continue to inform people who post poorly that they are posting poorly and that I don't welcome such behavior because it hurts my feelings to see someone within my own dear species act in such an un-welcoming and damaging manner.

I will continue to do so in an informative way. Just as I have always done. Friends tell friends that their zipper is down. If the friend insists that zippers being down is fashionable, then friends explain in excruciating detail why this isn't the case.

BTM or AAronW funny how many things you have to say about me that are negative directly or not claiming to want to improve me for my own good and nothing about the accusation i am bigoted towards people with Muslim background for example. You find nothing wrong there in that claim now do you? But so much more in all else.


Basically you find no reason to improve the image a person may have that is so wrongly painted that way. I would imagine your concern to improve me from a position of care and friendship shouldn't see this as something unimportant in which you have no position to offer given the image you have witnessed all these years.

Let me remind you that ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

"The English noun bigot is a term of abuse aimed at a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (especially, and originally, other religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical."

How much intolerance towards people based on origin without any other actual detail of personality available you have witnessed originating from me over the years?

That would be up there in the things i wouldnt want used to describe a person i want to improve because i care if i knew them to be false.


Care? LOL

Not sure how I came up in that post. I hadn't noticed that you said anything about Muslims at all. Citation of when you mentioned Muslims?

My only beef with you is that you are consistently extremely inconsiderate of others (readers) when you write and you think that being inconsiderate is something to be proud of.

It ain't that hard to write clearly and concisely.

Attacking the argument rather than the arguer is quite possible - it's a rule in P and not a rule in PU for example.

That's why in general P is a better place to discuss politics and PU is a better place to enjoy insulting each other.

I wasn't aware that we were discussing P and PU in a thread about SMP being a place that is unfriendly.

More to the poing: It is impossible to attack the argument when the arguer is ****ting on the coffee table and demanding that we take him as he is. The argument, as such, doesn't exist.

When refuting a claim that somethign is impossible it's sometimes handy to point at examples that prove it can be done - I'm not sure how we have got to the claim that things that are obviously possible are impossible anyway.

Also, for better and worse there isn't the divide between forums that there used to be. SMP cannot be considered in isolation.

There's plenty of arguments that can be addressed in the posts in question but people are free to ignore the posts if they dont think there's any argument or dont like the style or whatever. It's not an explicit rule but I'm fairly sure that people are allowed to ignore posts. They can even discuss the style - it only becomes a problem when it's done as an attack (and even a reasonable amount of attacking is ok).

In what % of my posts in my entire history in 2+2 am i inconsiderate and in what % i am the poster of something important that wouldn't exist in the thread without me or contributed to getting a mega discussion through interactions i initiated or escalated that engaged other creative posters? In what % of my posts i answered questions that others had? Am i inconsiderate then?

To allow someone to be defined as inconsiderate so many times, overriding all else in persistence of reference and to ignore the other things is far more inconsiderate than anything else claimed here.

How inconsiderate are you when you fail to realize the amount of time and effort i have often devoted to helping a discussion or researching things to help it in matters of physics and math or general science content that the bloody SMP should be mostly about! Can the one side be sometimes a function of the other so that the other can be accepted as is without too much bitching? Are all my long posts inconsiderate or only those you selectively remember? Am in inconsiderate in all the key links i have often provided that are not immediately easy to find if you do not know where to look? Dont i save bloody time there for all involved?

Granted i will give you that a good 10% of my posts need significant editing (and 20-30% could use some further editing always - the other yes a bit for some people not a big deal for others) and in 5% of them it was worthy to do it. But so many of them are long for a variety of legitimate reasons that i suddenly attain a reputation mostly due to those few posts that are not technical enough that can be attacked more easily for this nature. Yes i become the here we go again the long posts guy! This is so easy to define and sell as description than actually reading the damn thing and finding the value in the length, often recognizing the necessity or the tolerance for lack of better editing because the ideas are more important.


Can it be that you read fully mostly the nontechnical posts and are lazy anyway in many of the other posts skipping them but the non technical ones or the ones that belong in a general not very disciplined scientifically discussion are easy targets (seen as opinions and ranting etc) now so as to happily generalize me that way as inconsiderate and unnecessarily repetitive for all other ones too?

I also find far more inconsiderate to read fragmented ideas in 100 different posts in a thread that mostly 5-7 liners exist and dozens of 1-2 liner jokes or sarcastic comments by most that can only be followed by those that participated in that thread directly and the others observing (that are often far more people) or those that came later have to now go back carefully and accumulate like archaeologists for each poster the collection of their thoughts over very many posts instead of few key ones that stand out. They also need to study what the others were saying to form a complete picture and imagine how hard that is now to anyone other than the main actors of that thread. I find it also inconsiderate to not make clear with many examples what i mean. I find that more inconsiderate than bothering some smart guy with experience that gets it fast and wants to not see anymore of it differently. I find it also inconsiderate to only live in a thread so as to disagree with someone every chance you get (far more than actually providing original content) and imagine the worse of them.

How inconsiderate is it knowing me all these years to not rise up and protest when various people from politics claim unreasonable things about me regarding bigotry.

Its vastly more inconsiderate than all else you find inconsiderate.

The amazing lack of empathy and selfishness i often witness in 2+2 in a variety of cruel forms is the most inconsiderate thing i have seen online wherever i have posted in the past 10 years. I find it also inconsiderate that Zeno didnt go back to the g-forces/turns thread to cut or criticize a ton of bs insulting posts that had no place there given the content i had provided and which had nothing to do with the problem discussed.

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Sounds like Masque should just set up a blog thread where he can spout off his word bombs to his heart's content and his followers can continue to fawn over him and the rest of us won't have to deal with his condescending word-vomit. It sounds like a win-win for everyone.

Your suggestion has been noted and rejected.

Not everyone wants that trolly.

The only solution that works for everyone is for those who aren't can't cope with posts to ignore them. There's an option to do that in the spoftware and there are even scripts available to improve on the ignoring. Or you could just ignore them.

If you still have a problom after all that then it's probably because you are trying very hard to find a problom.

Not sure which suggestion you mean but let's not confuse rejecting somethign we dont want with thinking it's impossible.

Hi masque!

I'm only so interested in this thread. The IDA thread means life to me. Will you continue letting me only cite pieces of your astonishing PM? That would keep the bullies at bay, but feels like a sacrifice.

Hell, the "wall of text" would be damned welcome!

For gods sake, 2+2 and SMP, content is king!

I rejected the bit that I quoted.

Doesn't matter whether it is possible.

That isn't the only solution. Among the various solutions that would work for everyone is for posters to write clearly and concisely.

at least that explains why it isn't a rule.

A fairly large percentage of them. I would wager that at least half of them are in some way rude, arrogant, or excessively long.

"Something important"? I'd bet less than 5%, and they're mostly around a couple particular topics. Where you just add "something"? Most of them. I don't claim that you add no value. Just not much value.

"Mega discussion" that's not about how bad your post was, or just "mega discussion" in general?

Maybe 10-15%.

Often, yes.

For someone who talks so much about empathy, you seem to lack it. And for someone who is so concerned about the selfishness of others, you seem to spend a lot of your time focusing on yourself.

Upon reflection of your most recent diatribe, I've decided to withdraw my acceptance of your offer of friendship. In my mind, friendship requires a mutual effort. You simply aren't making one. I've raised this to the highest level of conversation that's possible on this board. I'm not the only who has tried this conversation with you, though the only one to have done it this publicly.

When people you consider friends (and I'm not referring to myself here) strongly urge a course of action, and you refuse to listen to them, it's probably to your own detriment. When both friends and non-friends are urging that action, there's a significantly higher probability that the course of action being urged is good. And only someone who is too arrogant to listen will choose to continue on their way when that happens.

I am blocking you because you and your posts are not worth my time.

Let him do it masque. It's better for all of us.

If you also block him it will be even better and safer.

Starting with a silly question is no way to write. It happens to be 61.43% though.

Since the post started out in a silly manner, I decided (after spending hour upon hour doing the necessary research to determine the percentage that was requested) that the rest of the post was most likely also written in a silly manner.

Maybe but that's a hard solution as opposed to the very easy solution of those who dont want to just not reading posts from people who fail to meet whatever standard they insist on.

None the less if you want writing standards to be part of the rules you could argue for that. I'd rather argue for a minimum one joke per post rule.

Block also Brian, masque. If the insult is bad enough I'll deal with it.

Failing to write clearly and concisely is not a personality trait. It is quite easy to change - it is called editing before posting.

No need for additional top-down rules. Natural consequences are better.

Are you trying to change me again?

I decline to follow your suggestion.

Gold. This is how things should be.

At least in SMP. Kind 1-3 liners are OK though, imo. Producing some of them myself.

Setting up a blog in the House of Blogs seems a lot easier than just putting 90% of SMP on ignore.