A post in NVG just outed another user's name, email address, telephone number, location, etc.

Interestingly, despite looking in all of the logical places: a sticky at the top of thatforum (there's a sticky of the NVG rules at the top of the forum and it refers to "Don't violate the basic site-wide rules" with no link to said rules), a sticky in this forum or a link from the forum FAQ's -- there's no readily visible site-wide set of rules.

Certain rules would certainly apply site-wide (i.e. confidentiality issues), so why aren't the rules readily visible?

Thanks for post report. Post deleted.

Thanks. :-) I really hated seeing a newer user trolled that way.

At the top of every page there is a subtitle of "TwoPlusTwo.com", against which is a drop-down menu icon in which the Terms & Conditions of the site are linked.

At the bottom of the page next to the buttons to submit a response is also a link to the terms and conditions.

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Except the "Terms and Conditions" don't set forth actual forum rules.

It sets forth the site-wide rules.

Seem like rules to me.

Looks very Comprehensive and easy to find.

Actually, I see Queen of No's point. As far as the links being easy to find, I'd say they're not at all. If I was told to choose a spot on the forum homepage that someone was least likely to find a link, I'd put it where it is now. It's at the extreme bottom of the page, past the reply box, at the bottom of a list of technical settings. TBH I never noticed that link until it was pointed out in this thread.

As for the T&C, the list quoted by Venice does essentially constitute the posting guidelines. But first, I doubt many ever think to look on the Twoplustwo.com drop down menu. And if they did, I doubt many would ever read all the way down to paragraph 7, past all sorts of legalese, to find that list of rules.

So while it's true the rules are on the site, they are located and written more in a way that we could cite them if need be, rather than if our goal was to proactively inform new users as to our posting guidelines to prevent violations in the first place.

I suggest we put a link that says Sitewide posting Rules in a prominent spot at the top of the forum homepage. Then have that link go to a page that uses the T&C list as its base, but breaks out some of the rules for more clarification. For example, have no invasion of Privacy as a rule, and a blurb that talks about no real names, addresses, work place, etc.

Design the page with descriptive examples of common violations and write in plain language not legalese. Then at the bottom (or top) of that page, have a link that says "to see the full Terms and Conditions, click here". IMO this would be a much more user friendly approach. If we make the rules easy to find and easy to read, most users will follow them. But I dont think most will dig to find them in the first place.

I don't think there's a problem in the first place. All the rules are sensible, reasonable, and what any normal user would assume them to be.

If the odd user has to be given an infraction for some "unusual" post or other, it's not really a big deal. Also, I would bet my boots that many of those particular users wouldn't read the rules if they were stamped on their eyeballs.

Other than those being my thoughts, good post, bro'.

Thanks.

If the position is that there's no need for easily found rules as there is no real need for people to read them because they are self evident, then there would be no need to change anything. So disregard my comments.

I was primarily addressing the OP's point that the rules arent easy to find, and responses that said they were. I agree with OP that they're not easy to find. But if that's not considered a problem, then no need to change.

Most sites have T&C. If a user wants to read them, (I know I don't bother to read most sites' T&C - more fool me), I beg to differ.

In the line of options to see My 2+2, FAQ, New Posts, Search, Video Directory, TwoPlusTwo.com, and Log Out, I believe it's obvious which one would include the T&C.

If someone didn't notice the line of options, they'd be stuck with 10 posts per page; not knowing how to search; etc. How unlikely is that?

Mike- I see what's causing our difference of opinion now. I didn't mean to imply that people wouldn't see the line of options at the top of the page, with search, faq, etc. And I wasn't actually disputing that someone couldn't find the T&C page if they wanted to. That part is all fine and usual, IMO.

What I was just trying to say is that while you feel that if someone wanted to find the posting rules, they would know to look in the T&C, and if they read down far enough they will find them, I thought there was an easier way. My whole point was premised on that there may be some additional value to reducing posting violations in breaking out the forum posting rules, and elaborating on them a bit, in order to make it easier for people to find and read. We both agree that few people will read down through seven paragraphs of T&C jargon like this in order to find the posting rules:

So that's all I was really trying to say. That if it was thought worthwhile to highlight that particular portion of the T&C as say compared to the technical stuff, then there was a way to do it. If no one thought that was really necessary, then there's no reason to.

But I must say this made me chuckle:

because how often does someone post in a super large thread "wow! We're up to 100 pages!" and then someone follows that up with "you're doing it wrong."

If there are some truly site-wide rules that aren't covered by the T&C's, then perhaps there's an issue to discuss. But the question is, are there any? The one OP is asking about isn't really a site-wide rule. There are times information like that might be permitted, like in the case of a scam.

browser - that's not the only place to find the T&C's. There's a link in the "Other Links" box below the sidebar, and at the top of every page, there's a "Twoplustwo.com" dropdown (Edit to add: My pony is slow - looks like you've discovered at least one of those). Also, there's a FAQ in the same bar along the top - that might be a place to add anything if it's needed.

Not sure if you're adding to his joke, or if you missed it.

I'm not sure why there is resistance to linking the site-wide rules from the stickied post in each forum of that forum's rules.

If the rules were easier to find (and in a logical place), then you might have fewer users violating them in an egregious manner or fewer newer users being embarrassed by failing to adhere to the rules.

Oh -- and because so many people don't see to have figured this out, perhaps add a rule that says

"do not quote/copy and repost content from other users that violate the rules".

I'm not sure why you think there's resistance to something you hadn't suggested until now.

So going into this suggestion a little more in-depth, what is it you're looking for? Would you like to see the T&C's linked to in forum stickies, or were you hoping to see some other list of site-wide rules (that don't exist at this time AFAIK), and if so, what sort of things would that list contain?

Me neither.

If you click on post reply, it says terms and conditions right next to the submit reply btn!

Awesome - I had completely forgotten about that.

I miss the eye-watering yellow banner. :sad:

Huh?

Linking site-wide rules in each forum's sticky rules thread?

Linking each forum's sticky rules thread in each thread in that forum?

My guess is that by the time someone is ready to click the post reply button, the typing is done and no one is stopping at that point to review T&C. Sort of like stopping to put on a condom just before you, well, you know.

There are two or three opportunities to find the rules on every page. Anyone who can't locate them should go to their doctor to be formally declared blind and then investigate whether they are entitled to any benefits for their tragic disability.

The meaningful complaint here seems like it's actually "A lot of the forum stickies aren't super well written and should be more clear in terms of how they reference the TOC". If you're just saying "site wide rules apply" and then leaving it up to the user to figure out that that means the TOC, that's not super great.

Some boilerplate language about the TOC (which I'm not sure really does address all of the understood site wide rules) wouldn't be the worst idea in the stickies..