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ike stays as a mod. i'd bet the under on him doing any actual modding in the last 6 months, but it seems stupid and petty to remove him over this. his green name is a lifetime achievement award he's earned.

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08-08-2015 , 10:41 PM

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hotwarmcold

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Originally Posted by DrawNone

why can't he just deny the allegations? what is so hard about that?

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08-08-2015 , 10:43 PM

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hotwarmcold

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Originally Posted by NF set

Sure does.

your right it does, you can't be compelled to speak, but that doesn't mean you get to keep being a mod,or keep your job, or keep you of jail...

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08-08-2015 , 10:45 PM

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NF set

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Originally Posted by hotwarmcold

your right it does, you can't be compelled to speak, but that doesn't mean you get to keep being a mod,or keep your job, or keep you of jail...

agreed

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08-08-2015 , 10:52 PM

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DrawNone

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Originally Posted by hotwarmcold

why can't he just deny the allegations? what is so hard about that?

maybe because he didn't discover the internet yesterday, he has much more on the line than a green name on a message board, and there's no upside to saying anything.

just let it go man

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08-08-2015 , 10:57 PM

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THAY3R

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I don't think it really matters(does he even post here anymore or do anything here anymore?) but I agree that i don't think he should be able to stay green for staying silent on this matter.

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08-08-2015 , 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DrawNone

maybe because he didn't discover the internet yesterday, he has much more on the line than a green name on a message board, and there's no upside to saying anything.

just let it go man

really,no upside to denying you were aware of cheating? that's interesting. you should know that almost all cheaters keep cheating until they are caught. i'm not saying ike is a cheater, but when you can't deny a simple allegation.....

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08-08-2015 , 11:09 PM

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DrawNone

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is the evidence he knew about the MAing anything more than "someone said so"?

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08-08-2015 , 11:10 PM

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you know where the thread is & you probably know what twitter is,if your that uninformed on the subject,maybe you should ask yourself why your posting. i'm not trying to be a jerk to you,btw

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08-08-2015 , 11:21 PM

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DrawNone

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ok, then what is the evidence he knew about Stinger MAing?

edit: you can answer the question b/ your not a jerk and it should be a pretty straightforward reply, and if that's not a good enough reason maybe you should summarize his involvement with Stinger's MAing b/ that is the entire point of the thread you started.

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08-08-2015 , 11:22 PM

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Divided By Zero

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

I agree that i don't think he should be able to stay green for staying silent on this matter.

this

a mod should have a fair game and transparency on his/her agenda, everything else should not be considered acceptable and ike's mod status should imo be removed, probably at least until his involvement in this issue is resolved.

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08-08-2015 , 11:47 PM

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Does his not replying to possibly baseless accusations affect his ability to moderate an internet message board? I have no horse in the race. Being a moderator isn't like being knighted and somehow become an official representative of 2+2. They are just volunteers that move and delete posts to ensure people follow posting rules.

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08-08-2015 , 11:49 PM

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Natamus

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Just admit it hotwarmcold you're an Ike fanboy who sees a chance to force him into a convo with you that he doesn't have to have.

Let it go you are just proving to be somewhat obsessive and missing the obvious fact that he has nothing to gain from talking to you and your reasoning for him having a good reason to talk to you is totally off base

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08-09-2015 , 12:57 AM

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Natamus

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No he doesn't and if you don't understand that then you're as full of it as your unconfirmed in person conversations with Ike

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08-09-2015 , 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

So much this. What part of this really simple concept don't you understand and has you on a warpath to make him speak publicly about this, HWC?

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08-09-2015 , 09:32 AM

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The real answer to this is to PM Mat Sklansky and tell him what you know. Mat decides if someone should remain a mod. Keep in mind that Mat may require proof or may decide if even everything you said was true, he still would not de-mod him.

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08-09-2015 , 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by venice10

thanks for your comments venice, but i won't be pm'ing matt. ike has dodged these allegations for months & doesn't think he owes the 2+2 community a response. if the people who moderate these forums can't see why ike owes the community a simple "Hey, i didn't know anything about it", well they need to take a look at themselves. Seems that every scandal revealed on 2+2 was initially suppressed by some mods. i know there are mods reading this who know ike is fos & the fact that he refuses to reply tells the whole story. maybe those mods will start speaking up.

tbh this exact subject is being discussed much more intelligently in stinger88 nvg thread

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08-09-2015 , 12:22 PM

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What do the opinions of the people who moderate these forums have to do with anything?

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08-09-2015 , 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hotwarmcold

...ike is fos & the fact that he refuses to reply tells the whole story.

Hard to be that FOS when you haven't said a word. It's fair to speculate on or criticize the silence but I don't think FOS applies.

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08-09-2015 , 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Wait, is this about Ike or Ikes? If you guys could just get rid of Ikes I don't care what you do with Ike.

+1 dog

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08-09-2015 , 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gregorio

What do the opinions of the people who moderate these forums have to do with anything?

This is one of the better posts related to this in the NVG thread.

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Originally Posted by UwantMyGame

Bakes, hotwarmcold, limon and others that I cannot remember names of at the moment thank you for your input and efforts. I am asking that you do not let this issue fade away like countless others. hotwarmcold don't let these people silence you. Changing this type of behavior is the only way to grow the game. Will not be overnight but is the only way to insure a healthy industry long term.

I am posting ITT because I believe my view is to some degree valuable regarding how these situations have an effect on the industry. My forum name was derived from the belief that I am one of the people that the poker community desires and needs involved in the games. IE semi serious rec with a reasonable amount of discretionary income. Played online from 2001-2009. Started with Stud and LH when I stopped I played NLH 100-600 and PLO 100. Since then and for the time being only play live. Would like to play online again. For those who may wonder; No I was not losing money when I quit online poker.

This topic/thread is a prime example of why I have turned 60-75 people away from the game of poker in past years. Truly turned away people that had the time and money who wanted to learn the game. For the most part they would have been fun recreational players and a few serious rec players. I always had a few conversations with them explaining that the game they would need to learn would most likely not be the game they wanted to learn. IOW it was everything other than the cards they would have to learn about if they were going to play more than a couple of times a year. Those areas were off-putting because that would require a great deal of time and focus before they would feel comfortable playing. These people are marginally to greatly successful in their everyday lives. Once they realize that it is difficult to "just have a fun game" it's not worth the bother. Because they are successful and can do the math so to speak they really bristle at the idea of how easy it is to become a mark.

professionalpoker. Isaac Haxton is A. an Icon of the game B. was directly involved in the games where cheating occurred. C. is a hired ambassador for the company providing the game. D. long time member, participant and moderator at the site where the most discussion on the subject is being held. When someone as respected and high profile as Isaac Haxton cannot or will not even offer something as simple as- "I deplore cheating do not participate in cheating and hope to help end it's prevalence in the games"-. When there is "Zero upside" for an Iconic Ambassador to offer any type of reassurance about game integrity nor offer help to stop cheating. Well, I don't see a way to put a positive spin on the situation.

Some of the most disturbing comments to come from this thread were made by Vanessa Selbst(http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/21599/), and Chicago Joey who did a pod cast regarding this subject. Both people made comments which included .......this goes on with regularity, thats the way it is, There is much worse that goes on, we shouldn't crucify these people and it might be best stay quiet.

Vanessas Last post 1150 pg 46 ITT she says "I said the worst offenses are ignored every day if people have money that they are seemingly going to donate to the poker world. And no I don't really feel like outing people because the list is just too damn long, my memory sucks for details that I don't care too much to remember, and I don't have direct evidence because I don't talk to people in these circles very often and I don't play in these games. So no, these aren't my good friends, and I'm not gaining financially from any of this BS. If anything, speaking my mind and opting out of the system just hurts my bottom line on a routine basis. So just get over your high horses... if you disagree with my points then so be it, but I have a valid point, so the condescending holier-than-thou attitudes you're taking instead of respectful and intelligent disagreement are just cringeworthy to me." Bolded for emphasis.

Somewhere in her posts starting at post #920 Pg.37 and ending with the quoted above she tries to explain how Many bad things go on constantly yet the best thing to do is stay quiet about them and accept that she, and many who share her opinion, have a valid argument for doing so.
It is examples like these that allowed me to easily dissuade people from taking up poker as a hobby. There understanding is usually something close to; not everyone is a cheater but advantage play happens regularly and even if others are not participating they will never speak about it because it may hurt their ability to play. They never want to play after that simple epiphany.

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08-09-2015 , 02:45 PM

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08-09-2015 , 06:03 PM

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NVG Internet detectives demanding answers should be ignored as a damn rule.

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08-09-2015 , 06:11 PM

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lol @ dids, cmon bro.

Sorry but people don't like 2p2 mods to be associated with cheating and the covering up of cheating on the biggest poker site in the world while representing the biggest poker site in the world. I'm just going to assume you're just being completely ignorant about the situation.

Ike is very aware of all of this, and his silence says everything. He cares more about his Stars paychecks than shedding light on a big Poker Stars scandal, and thus, I don't think he should be a mod on 2p2.