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Old 03-12-2017, 06:15 AM   #51
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yes, a real centamillionaire. at some point criticising everyone's sucess because you understand some basic game theory becomes excessive, even for people who like moooo.

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Old 03-12-2017, 02:02 PM   #52
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wil's a guy witha duaghter who posts things he actually thinks. both of thoise attributes are rar...good now.
A guy with a daughter is a rare attribute?
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:04 PM   #53
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ad everyone reading this should know that one day dodger irish and louis will regret acting that way to me but they don't know it yet
It feels like I'm being threatened by Dustin Diamond.
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:48 PM   #54
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lousi cyphre needs to explain why he would ignore my post but respomnd to chiogaco ry. what is he on drugs
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ad everyone reading this should know that one day dodger irish and louis will regret acting that way to me but they don't know it yet
Is this performance art?

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Old 03-12-2017, 08:56 PM   #55
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I think it's beautiful
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:00 PM   #56
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Is this performance art?
No I am serious but could've phrased it better if I wasn't so hammered. I'm at the bar right now. Sometime tommorrow or tonight I will explain why I'm right.
I should say what I meant was not that you'll regret it because I'll get revenge but that you'll regret it because I won't be around to talk to anymore. There's a lot of people I didn't care for that I deeply deeply wish I could talk to just once more. And I know that for a couple people in this thread you'll regret and be sad to never have the chance to talk to me again. Remember I said that because it's something you'll think is stupid until the time comes.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:05 PM   #57
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A guy with a daughter is a rare attribute?
On this forum yeah , especially in pu. I think wil is mostly a genuine poster, I don't know him at real life but I'm confident he has the right stuff to post in politards without being labeled a " problem" poster which is foolish anyway .
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:34 PM   #58
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:40 AM   #59
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Ok so,

I was reading louis cyphre's posts and realized that the point he was making amounted to this: There are some mods who seem to consider it a badge of honor not to ban problem posters and this position is laudable because they are being kind even when they can receive nothing in return from those outcasts of the forum. However I louis cyphre realize that at some point, the quality of posts can only go so low before we need to start banning people so that others can read and enjoy the forum.

Some things you have probably already thought about are if we decide to start banning problem posters, who decides what is a problem poster? At what point do we draw the line?

My point is that the problem with your social forums is degrading on a much deeper and more fundamental level; you have foxes guarding the hen houses pretending to be the most honorable coopsman ever. I am being a 100% sincere when I am telling you that you drove off people worth 9 figures because the majority of the posters on your social forums are mean. No one is going to investigate those posters because ultimately anyone with any merit will simply leave those forums.

Let me ask you a question. If I posted: im going to the pool today!

and the first person who responded who does not know how actual successful people think considers this post to himself and says in his mind: "Oh poor guy, he must not have any ideas or anything to do. in fact someone who would say they went to the pool today musn't have any friends because they could certainly have done something much more interesting with their time.Actually come to thin of it he certainly must be dumb because i would never be too stupid to let my guard down like that."


and so in response

Poster number 1: it isn't funny that you are typing this

poster number 2: yeah I dont understand why anyone would honestly think they could fool us by saying they were going to the pool.

poster number 3: lol, no one is stupid enough to go to the pool.


That doesn't say anything bad about the original poster, the only says something bad about posters number 1-3. Whether you realize this or not you guys do this a lot in the social forums. I don't like people who suck up to me and say oh sir that's a wonderful tie! and taslk about ho great everything i do is- Im allergic to those kinds of people and there have been many. But at some point there comes a point where you have to have the basic decency to be nice to people in relationships and pay a genuine complement once in a great while or else you'll lose all your posters and worse youll be thought of poorly even by other introverted people like me.

so on a basic level you need to fix the social forum experience for the average user instead of being selfish all the time.
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:43 AM   #60
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Hi spaceman Bryce! I like your post!

If I got my thread unlocked, would you like to participate? It might offer a bit of what you're looking for imo.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...48/?highlight=

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Old 03-13-2017, 12:44 AM   #61
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if you read wils posts for 5 minutes you'll see a dick but if you actually read wils posts in the entirey of pu what you will see is a bunch of very weird people berating him because he said wbhat he thinks and they're weird. We have this problem in actual real world politics; look ive been oppressed ok? but on some level you have to have an honest dialogue even with your oppressors. You may not LIKE the honest answers you receive but there NEEDS to be a genuine dialogue. If youve been paying close attention to politics you would know the international order has a real chance of collapsing and it will if people can't talk to one another.
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Old 03-13-2017, 01:50 AM   #62
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Hi spaceman Bryce! I like your post!

If I got my thread unlocked, would you like to participate? It might offer a bit of what you're looking for imo.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...48/?highlight=


after some deliberation i haved eicded this thread is a good idea.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:32 AM   #63
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Yay!!!

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Old 03-13-2017, 06:20 AM   #64
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chez is in charge. and he's making a bunch of bizarre decisions

Yeah I'll say. chezlaw just censored my criticism of Breitbart by deleting my post.

A poster asserted Breitbart was a good source of news, and I asserted that they are not, and that they are in fact not a credible source of news. I backed up my claim with by providing two critical analysis publications, critiquing two Breitbart articles, respectively. The first detailed how Breitbart had published false hoods in relation to Global warming, and the second detailed how Breithbart published a false hood by stating Donald Trump won 75% of the popular vote and won in a landslide of the popular vote.

In accordance with journalistic standards, which are necessary for maintaining the health and integrity of political discourse/discussion, I also included links to the original articles on Breitbart. This is a practice that is required by professors in Colleges and Universities when essays, or critical analysis pieces are assigned.

I made a critical analysis of Breitbart, which was that Breitbart is not credible, because they publish false hoods, and I provided citations, according to journalistic standards, and chezlaw deleted both that post, and also censored me by deleting a response I had made to whosnext. In this post, I pointed out that the incredibly vague and arbitrary PC rule is not a good rule, because it violates journalistic integrity. I was punished, through being silenced, for providing citations.

chezlaw is acting completely irrationally, and arbitrarily. chezlaw is censoring users on his own whims, and stifling conversation that adheres to journalistic standards.

chezlaw asserts that posting a link to Breitbart violates the PC rule, which states:


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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.
chezlaw, whosnext, and Noodil Wazlib, after posting in support of this rule, all have failed to even try to explain this question:


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Specifically how do links to breitbart violate the PC rule?

The moderators have been asked probably six times to answer this question, and they refuse to even try.

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Old 03-13-2017, 06:29 AM   #65
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I will now point out that discussing the PC rule, is explicitly allowed within the rule, but yet my post in response to whosnext, discussing the rule, was censored and deleted by chezlaw.


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Old 03-13-2017, 06:54 AM   #66
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Sweet, so now we have two moderation threads in P7, and two in ATF? How lucky we are!
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:15 AM   #67
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Hi Bobo Fett, your name sure is pretty!

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This question is open to anyone here who might have an idea:


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Specifically how do links to breitbart violate the PC rule?

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Old 03-13-2017, 07:40 AM   #69
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As a result of chezlaw's arbitrary decision to censor my post, this post that asserts without citation that Breitbart is a good source of information:

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Absolutely!

Banning certain media is 100% wrong. However, if you're gonna do it you need to be faiir about it. Breitbart is an excellent news service.


Still exists, but this post, that I will now make here, was deleted, and no longer exists:


No, Breitbart is not a good source of information. In fact, they are not a credible source of information or news. They publish falsehoods. For example:

Breitbart cherry picks data in this article.


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Global land temperatures have plummeted by one degree Celsius since the middle of this year – the biggest and steepest fall on record.

But the news has been greeted with an eerie silence by the world’s alarmist community. You’d almost imagine that when temperatures shoot up it’s catastrophic climate change which requires dramatic headlines across the mainstream media and demands for urgent action. But that when they fall even more precipitously it’s just a case of “nothing to see here”.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...ate-alarmists/


Weather.com had this to say:


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Note to Breitbart: Earth Is Not Cooling, Climate Change Is Real and Please Stop Using Our Video to Mislead Americans

Global warming is not expected to end anytime soon, despite what Breitbart.com wrote in an article published last week.

Though we would prefer to focus on our usual coverage of weather and climate science, in this case we felt it important to add our two cents — especially because a video clip from weather.com (La Niña in Pacific Affects Weather in New England) was prominently featured at the top of the Breitbart article. Breitbart had the legal right to use this clip as part of a content-sharing agreement with another company, but there should be no assumption that The Weather Company endorses the article associated with it.

The Breitbart article – a prime example of cherry picking, or pulling a single item out of context to build a misleading case – includes this statement: "The last three years may eventually come to be seen as the final death rattle of the global warming scare."

In fact, thousands of researchers and scientific societies are in agreement that greenhouse gases produced by human activity are warming the planet’s climate and will keep doing so.
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CLAIM: "Global land temperatures have plummeted by one degree Celsius since the middle of this year – the biggest and steepest fall on record."

TRUTH: This number comes from one satellite-based estimate of temperatures above land areas in the lower atmosphere. Data from the other two groups that regularly publish satellite-based temperature estimates show smaller drops, more typical of the decline one would expect after a strong El Niño event.

Temperatures over land give an incomplete picture of global-scale temperature. Most of the planet – about 70 percent – is covered by water, and the land surface warms and cools more quickly than the ocean. Land-plus-ocean data from the other two satellite groups, released after the Breitbart article, show that Earth’s lower atmosphere actually set a record high in November 2016.

CLAIM: "It can be argued that without the El Niño (and the so-called "Pacific Blob") 2014-2016 would not have been record warm years." (David Whitehouse, Global Warming Policy Foundation, quoted by Breitbart)

TRUTH: NOAA data show that the 2014-16 El Niño did not even begin until October 2014. It was a borderline event until mid-2015, barely above the El Niño threshold. El Niño clearly added to the strength of the record global warmth observed since late 2015. However, if the El Niño spike is removed, 2016 is still the warmest year on record and 2015 the second warmest, according to climate scientist Zeke Hausfather (Berkeley Earth).

CLAIM: "Many think that 2017 will be cooler than previous years. Myles Allen of Oxford University says that by the time of the next big United Nations climate conference, global temperatures are likely to be no warmer than the Paris COP in 2015. This would be a strange thing to happen if, as some climate scientists have claimed, recent years would have been a record even without the El Niño." (David Rose, U.K. Daily Mail, quoted by Breitbart)

TRUTH: There is nothing unusual about a drop in global surface temperatures when going from El Niño to La Nina. These ups and downs occur on top of the long-term warming trend that remains when the El Niño and La Niña signals are removed. If there were no long-term trend, then we would see global record lows occurring during the strongest La Niña events. However, the last year to see global temperatures hit a record low was 1911, and the most recent year that fell below the 20th-century average was 1976.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...ate-alarmists/


Furthermore, how about this Breitbart article, which states that Donald Trump had a massive 7.5 million landslide win of the popular vote. It's entirely false, and ridiculously so.


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Donald Trump Won 7.5 Million Popular Vote Landslide in Heartland


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...tream-america/


This report, and map, is a complete false hood, and Breitbart is not in any way a credible source of information or journalism.


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The only appropriate way to describe this map, gracing an article at Breitbart.com, is “hilariously idiotic.”

As a media outlet interested in accuracy, The Washington Post has a version of the county-by-county map that is based on actual data. In reality, the county split in last week's election looked like this:

Still a lot of red, but you will notice on our map that large U.S. cities that always vote Democratic are clearly demarcated by their county boundaries. You will also notice that the counties are not all little blue squares as they are in Breitbart's map, because our map is a map of actual American counties and not a red map that someone took into Microsoft Paint to dapple with little squares to have a fake map for a completely made-up story about the results of the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-popular-vote/


This is a critical analysis. I make the assertion that Breitbart is not credible, because they publish falsehoods, and I provide two examples of published critical analyses, criticizing two Breitbart articles, detailing how they published falsehoods, and I provide a link to the original source; the article on Breitbart. This is in accordance with journalistic standards, and is taught in College/University.

This post of mine was deleted by chezlaw, because it violates the PC rule, which states


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I have asked chezlaw to explain specifically how my post violates the PC rule, and chezlaw refuses to even try to answer. (This question has been posed like ten times now)

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Old 03-13-2017, 07:46 AM   #70
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Those of us that want to make sure our posts aren't deleted have to come here and post about it, because chezlaw can't delete them here.

If chezlaw didn't do these ridiculously arbitrary deletions, we wouldn't have to come here to complain about it. This rule is incredibly vague and it's being used arbitrarily in an abusive manner by chezlaw.

Furthermore, this method of decision making in a forum is a terrible method, because the actual users have zero input in the rules of the forum. There is a better way!

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Those of us that want to make sure our posts aren't deleted have to come here and post about it
In the event that you aren't perma-banned, and if you didn't pick up on bobo's hint, no, you don't have to come here. You should actually come here instead.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:32 AM   #72
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Pro tip, guys: when there's a new account who starts making tens of posts per day which are exclusively politarding and some of which run like 3000 words long then it's 100% to be some ****ty banned poster and you can safely otb&c them on sight.
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Well I woke up feeling pretty good today and realized this seems like a problem for bobo fett to work on. see you guys later.
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You have to chop down the thistle or the cows will eat that too! Allegedly it's bad for them.
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:51 AM   #75
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You have to chop down the thistle or the cows will eat that too! Allegedly it's bad for them.
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I didn't invite him here or talk about 2p2 with him but I could tell who alltheleaves for cows was and know him from outside twoplustwo. Looks like he's been reading way more 2p2 than I do. I know a lot of interesting people from a lot of interesting things that I do and I sometimes they just show up places, thats why it's hard for me to eat at the pool.
I have to ask for the record on his behalf if he was banned because he's black?
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