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You made an anecdotal claim that some unnamed person who is very successful was banned for an unspecified reason.
I would certainly hope after all these years no one needs to use the term "anecdotal claim" about my posts. In real life I'm used to my words being sufficient on their own based on reputation.
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This isn't sufficient information for me to comment. Can you be more specific what your points is? I am also unsure what "straight jacket for excellence" means.
Well I have been reading about world order a bit, specifically
World order by Henry Kissinger and
the grand chessboard by zbinew brezinski. I think we are at a very very critical moment in politics not unlike 80 years ago. In short it is very very difficult to build consensus, it can't be bottled or in this day and age contained. zbinew once said that for thousands of years it was much easier to control a million people than to kill a million people but that now it is much easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. So in my mind I don't think you can create excellence by constraint anymore....
applying some political stuff I read to this conversation is probably a stretch.
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No, I was talking about users in general, not mods. While a proactive mod could ban problematic posters on his own initiative I believe it's the community that should self-police. Instead of engaging trolls they should be put on ignore. One might think that something positive has been achieved when responding over and over again to a dense poster not interested in genuine discourse if only to not let the questionable posts stand unchallenged. I disagree. What happened is that the thread just became unreadable.
we can agree to disagree. I know from my own experience I have been considered unsaveable by a lot of people, a lost cause and eventually I understood things that seemed impossible to others for me to get. I'm a pretty big black sheep. In wils case and in a few others cases what I have seen happen is that a group of posters on your social forums continually manipulates people who just want to talk into seeming like trolls for whatever it is they get out of it. I have noticed you have 20 posters who are willing to pile onto someone who says something we will just say politically incorrect for now, but hardly any of those posters seem interested to me in discussing the larger problems that we have today. I personally changed my opinion on TPP, I was against it but now I'm for it. No one really wanted to discuss the tpp despite that being the most important piece of legislation in years.
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Signal-to-noise ration combined with volume. A user who rarely posts but is always terrible is less of a problem than a frequent poster who has often terrible.
makes sense to me
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This site has more than a hundred (I believe?) unpaid volunteer mods that don't exactly go through extreme vetting. Not everyone will be happy with what those mods do and some mods might be downright terrible.
Again self-policing of the community. Mods shouldn't act unilaterally (non-obvious cases) and respond to feedback (while avoiding a tyranny of the majority). If enough posters reasonably(*) complain about a poster the mod should act. If enough posters reasonably complain about a mod Mat Sklansky should act.
(*) there will always be judgement calls.
I understand. I wouldn't have said anything if I wasn't reading this at the right time and my main point was I think wil and some others like him are lumped in with just actual trolls and that's lazy. wil acts like a normal human being when he is talked to normally. people give up on relationships too easily. No one needs to lawyer up or anything. No person of understanding is going to go full hate at this site. but if you make enough bad judgement calls the mediocre posters and trolls will spend a lot of time complaining and the people in the cat bird seats will just walk away. I never walk away from things because I don't have anything to lose.
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So more infractions leading up to bannings as I suggested?
Ive always thought the mods here were pretty decent I don't see a problem with this system. I just see a problem with judgement.
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I don't know why you keep bringing up the success or wealth of a poster as if this had any influence on how they should be treated. I don't understand poster number 1 and poster number 2 and 3 should be discouraged from posting in this manner.
The thing is that a lot of talented people have never been treated like that before. If you don't see what's wrong with the example I gave then we aren't going to see eye to eye on a lot of things. not a big deal. I have never brought up anyone's wealth outside of this thread when discussing moderating decisions.