Question about RGT overlording/Jibninjas bitch thread

[Mutant K12]

Surely this is the first time in recorded history that religion has caused disagreements and controversy.

Next thing you will tell me is that differences in religious beliefs can lead to bloodshed.

[bunny]

Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

Elliot has no clue about what the situation really is like, yet here is defending his fellow mod.

or possibly making a joke.

[bunny]

Originally Posted by tpir

That just isn't possible any more though. I want to participate in the High Content threads but if I get 20 more points I am banned. And based on the harmless posts I made that got infraction points before, I am afraid to post anything. It seems like Jib is trying to strong arm the most vocal detractors of his jesusy dumbness out of the forum entirely.

I mean, the post I originally linked got 40 infraction points alone. For what?

It's tough if you don't know what you got points for, kind of hard to see the point. Having said that, it was nothing to do with violating this rule, was it?

"5. If you post in the thread (or any thread) or make a new thread asking why your post got deleted or complaining that your post got deleted you will automatically get infraction points. All questions should be PM'd to a mod. "

[tpir]

Originally Posted by bunny

It's tough if you don't know what you got points for, kind of hard to see the point. Having said that, it was nothing to do with violating this rule, was it?

"5. If you post in the thread (or any thread) or make a new thread asking why your post got deleted or complaining that your post got deleted you will automatically get infraction points. All questions should be PM'd to a mod. "

I allegedly got the big points for being too aggressive towards a mod. That is a pretty fine line given what passes for "trolling" and "harassment" to Jib (see links above.) And I explicitly said I did not want an explanation for my points.

You could post something identical in tone to what I post but my writing style (or anything) prohibits me from taking place in a HC discussion? That is bull****. And wanting to start a public discussion about rule #5 being bull**** is meta- and should be OK in a random **** thread IMO but I am fine with being infracted.

I am fine with being infracted for all of this really. I just don't like the idea of being one infraction away from a ban when Jib is the one who can do it for pretty much any reason if I try and post in the HC thread. I am not paranoid but I have made it very public that I think he is an awful poster and an awful mod in the worst moderated forum on 2+2, so I would almost expect him to get rid of me some night when he was emo about RGT not being up to snuff.

[rizeagainst]

Originally Posted by Lovesantiques

Maybe you should just post in another forum. Or, if you really think that this mod is doing a bad job, pm someone like Mat, or Ryan, or Mike Haven with details as to why.

Their responses would be interesting, if nothing else. Of course, you could end up being mod yourself - sure that you want this?

Lee

It's kind of hard to PM Mat Sklansky with evidence that Jibninjas is for example unfairly deleting posts because well, the posts have been deleted.

[rizeagainst]

Originally Posted by tpir

I allegedly got the big points for being too aggressive towards a mod.

Which as I've pointed out is a serious problem in RGT.

If Charles Manson or Jim Jones posted here during their times, would it be against the rules and an infractable offense to describe one or both of them as cult leaders? That's not an insult; it's a simple description of reality.

This is also what goes on with Jibninjas. People want to show him the truth, and sometimes to do so it needs to be explained how he is avoiding it. Many times he is practicing avoidance. Well what do you know, they actually put in the RGT rules that you can't ask or remind someone to answer something because Jibninjas had been avoiding tough questions and conversations so often that there was an epidemic.

And then guess what happens next? Jib creates a new thread, clamoring for high content. And then everyone explains to him again how he has historically avoided high content, and then those people in turn have their posts deleted or are told that they are "harassing" Jibninjas.

Being "too aggressive" is way, way too vague and the rules in this forum have gone so far off the deep end to protect an intellectually dishonest mod it would be surprising to me if anyone who is truly involved with 2+2 ever comes here or has any idea that this stuff goes on. Apparently pointing out to someone who is clamoring for high content that they have historically avoided high content is "too aggressive" and "harassment" and good enough reason to ban a person.

This forum has essentially outlawed people who actually live in reality.

[rizeagainst]

Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

I hear ya...

But this,



is why it's pointless to try to change anything.

Elliot has no clue about what the situation really is like, yet here is defending his fellow mod.

Madnak does the same thing. I find it pathetic to be honest, because I know madnak is really really smart, and I'm also like 99% sure he's defended Jibninjas to the end and modded threads and forum rules for him personally because they're both green and he is afraid of having to admit a mistake.

[Hopey]

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

This forum has essentially outlawed people who actually live in reality.

Well, it *is* the religion forum after all.

I cut down my posting in there once I started seeing just about every post of mine getting deleted. It wasn't worth the effort of actually typing them out anymore. Half the time I had no idea why my posts were being deleted -- I'd just look back at a thread I'd previously posted in and notice that all of my posts were gone. I finally just chalked it up to being one of the atheist "poo-flingers" that Jib doesn't like posting in his forum.

[sportsjefe]

Originally Posted by rizeagainst

It's kind of hard to PM Mat Sklansky with evidence that Jibninjas is for example unfairly deleting posts because well, the posts have been deleted.

I would assume mods can see deleted posts.

[Hopey]

Originally Posted by sportsjefe

I would assume mods can see deleted posts.

I've always wondered about that. Can a mod confirm whether or not this is true?

[Bobo Fett]

Mods and admins can see deleted posts in any forum(s) where they have moderating privileges.

[Mutant K12]

Well we will just see about that then.....

[rizeagainst]

Can we also talk about the complete butchering they've done to the Images for Atheists thread that I started?

I made the thread very clearly for atheist images. I'm also not even clear on why madnak posted in front of my OP after I created the thread stating thread rules that nobody had discussed or agreed upon, certainly I didn't and I was the OP for crying out loud. At the time it seemed to be a facile thread steal so that it would seem that he would receive credit for thread creation unless you read the fine print in the OP, but honestly I was not petty enough to care at the time so I didn't say anything, but now that is speaking volumes. Years later now madnak has claimed there was some pow wow where everyone discussed where the thread should go and it was determined that it should be open to theist images (IE troll posts) as well. Funny, I have been one of the most active members in RGT during that time and I missed that. Nobody even thought to PM me before completely changing the scope and title of the thread, which by the way, is the most successful thread in RGT by a long shot.

It's now supposedly a thread for any "RGT Images" after receiving over 500,000 views as an atheist image thread. How was this necessary? And aren't you supposed to respect the tone of the OP and stay on topic (per RGT rules) instead of using your moderator powers to manipulate them?

It's not even just the deleting of posts for bad reasons that's a problem anymore; it's filtered into nearly every other decision the moderators make. For example, they came up with a rule that you can't bump a thread asking someone to respond because one of those brilliant moderators avoided so many conversations the second he was backed into a corner that now even the rules of RGT have been made to suit the idiocy of it's moderators.

[Mutant K12]

Strange, historically Christians have been very open to other beliefs

[rizeagainst]

Originally Posted by Mutant K12

Strange, historically Christians have been very open to other beliefs

Do you have a point