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Old 02-07-2017, 03:33 PM   #126
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

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Old 02-07-2017, 03:34 PM   #127
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I never go into POG, but the answer to your drama here is that since you are the werewolf forum have the Miss POG winner be the woman with the hairiest tittays. You're welcome.
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:35 PM   #128
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i'm assuming this thread is part of one of the games you guys play in pog?
indeed, "These Nazi Mods Have Got To Go" is a game as old as time itself

as is "Typo Nit"
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:36 PM   #129
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The existence of Ms POG effects me=wrong. Affect is right.
I am trying to effect change for the betterment of my people=right. Affect would be wrong.

At least I think this is the case.
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:41 PM   #130
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:43 PM   #131
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nah, he's derp clear

stick with the original plan

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Old 02-07-2017, 03:51 PM   #132
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gtpitch wolfy disappearance from POG

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Old 02-07-2017, 04:09 PM   #133
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I have nfc where that line is.

This is pretty complicated really. XN wants to treat this as an issue on an island but it isn't.

I've been a member of pog for quite a while now. I've always felt extremely welcome there. I mean, it's always been LOLPOG but for the most part it was individuals spatting about this or that. That dynamic has changed. There is a group now that wants anyone that isn't in their group out. One of them is a mod. I've been a constant target of insults by the same group that is pushing hard on these issues. There is no doubt that I am no longer welcome there.

So, I guess I'm pretty biased about the entire situation. It's difficult for me to separate things. I know it's wrong to not be unbiased but, you know, it's a little personal.
Fair enough, thanks.

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gtpitch wolfy disappearance from POG

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Old 02-07-2017, 04:51 PM   #134
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As I don't go into POG, I guess I had a wrong impression as to what Ms. Pog was. I thought it was a voting contest.

I guess we need a TWBS so Boat has an area where Boat can be Boat and safe from the rude people infecting the rest of the forum.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:31 PM   #135
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Mat/Bobo, just give me POG 7.0 and I'll fly you up the Alexa ladder.

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I didn't think he had the right temperament for modding the forum. I think that remains the case.
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This.
Thank you for weighing in, OG poggers. WN, I still haven't got my homework.

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I truly understand that your friends are involved in this Miss Pog controversy and you have loyalty to them. But if they jump off a bridge, you don't actually have to follow them.
She said, while calmly stroking the hair of the white knight lackeys that sit on the ground below her.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:34 PM   #136
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I have homework? I hope I get to be a white knight lackey because it's sort of an amusing thought given The History of POG
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:40 PM   #137
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I have homework?
You were the one person I did hope would take their turn edumacating us vile sexists in the thread.
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I hope I get to be a white knight lackey because it's sort of an amusing thought given The History of POG
Rule#1 is that you have to have an avatar that objectifies women. Sorry bro.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:50 PM   #138
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Sometimes I feel I'm missing something when not visiting POG. Now you are taking care of that ATF will not be on the forum merging/closing list!
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:16 PM   #139
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If you want my advice, it's to pay attention to and think about perspectives like this:

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I know, for me, I have participated in these competitions in the past, but over the years I've become less comfortable with it. The truth is, I don't feel like I'm naturally included in a game that rates womens' hotness. Its also embarrassing, demeaning, and negatively impactful for not only me and other female posters but women in general to be rated on their physical appearance as their primary value indicator, which is really what this is if the ultimate metric for voting is physical beauty.

I know many women, including myself, have participated in these in the past as purely a beauty competition. But if I'm entirely honest, I think thats largely due to wanting to be included in the "fun" of the community. But its not fun. Its not fun for there to be a yearly lady hotness competition.

I was suggesting we change that to something we can be less ashamed of.

I am a woman and a pogger, and Miss Pog should represent Pog as a whole, not just how many men in Pog want to bang her.
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There's a whole thing about being a woman in a male dominated space - you go along with things to fit in. If I fought every guy who was being sexist I'd have quit POG after about 3 weeks. Plus there's this whole insidious phenomenon of the 'i'm not like other girls' mentality. I tried to nominate women who at least something else going for them that's not 'looks great in a bikini' but it didn't always work. Plus I felt that if I ran it I could have more sway over it, such as not allowing porn stars or whatever.

Frankly, this is quite a personal subject to me as during that time on POG I was experiencing anorexia, and whilst Miss POG did not directly cause it, it's representative of the wider societal issues that did. Valuing women on their looks first, thoughts opinions and ideas second. I see there is now a Person of the Year thread, and I have a funny feeling that if there are men contributed that they are going to judged on their achievements, what they have created or discovered, and not how good they look with their top off.
I think it's hard to write a short-enough-to-be-readable explanation for why beauty contests are problematic in relationship to the tendency to evaluate women primarily as sex objects while still allowing room for the expression of sexuality. I think it's hard for several reasons

1) It's hard to talk about with men specifically because we don't directly experience it in the same way. People tend to be skeptical of experiences they don't share. This is one reason why I also think it's good to hear about this from actual women, not from me.

2) It's hard because it involves thinking about cognitive, emotional, and behavioral tendencies that are deeply embedded in culture. Even women struggle with this aspect of things, for example this article from the current Gender and Society relates how basically all of the women they interviewed (professors) could relate stories in which they experienced sexism (while, re: (1) none of the men reported similar experiences), but the women tended to conceptualize these experiences as singular episodes, rather than as representative of a general problem. This also complicates things by making it fairly easy for people who are disposed against taking complaints about sexism seriously to dismiss those complaints by pointing out (for example) that women also participate in things like Ms. POG. Yet, both TL and crossnerd touched upon some of the complexities relating to that participation.

3) In relation to both of the above points, a lot of men tend to experience discussions about sexism as an attack on their character, or as you put it an attempt to educate "vile sexists". The defensiveness is an impediment to a productive conversation, but I also think the tendency to think of a complaint about something like Ms. POG as an accusation of "vile sexism" against individuals misses most of the larger questions.

4) Like I said, it's also difficult to make clear distinctions between unobjectionable expressions of sexuality and "objectification". I think that's largely related to (2). I don't think that means we should give up on drawing distinctions, but it again makes it pretty easy for the so-inclined to straw-man concern about objectification as being an unrealistic attempt to suppress "normal" human sexuality.

Anyway, I don't know all the answers but I think paying attention to what women tell you about their experiences and thinking about those kinds of issues is a good place to start.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:04 PM   #140
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Nice to see you retaining the moral high ground and bringing up things that didn't happen over 5 years ago in an attempt to discredit a very valid point. Google "ad hominem." It should be no problem for you since you're so great at typing.
I wouldn't sweat it. They keep bringing up bans and infractions for me as if I've had any in the last 3 years. Such magnets, Hifi! I wonder if they know mods can see our histories? Lol.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:17 PM   #141
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I think MonkeyB does a reasonable job moderating in some robust threads. I think the basis for the opposition to MOnkeyB moderation has more to do with objections to his politics rather than his rulings.


It ought be noted - that I would likely be lumped together with Monkey politically. Whilst, that might be true, the real reason I support MonkeyB as a moderator is the fact that he is willing to make rulings on posts that are difficult and might otherwise be ducked through to inertia or indifference. For example, KruZe and Gambit - both of whom I love playing games in the sub-forum with and have never had a problem with - tend to be very laisse-faire when interpreting infractions. Now, this might be ultimately what the owners want or not (I am not sure) but it seems to me that if you have rules at least some of the time they need to be actively enforced. Thus, MonekyB's style of moderation seems to counter-balance the others.

Thats my two cents worth.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:25 PM   #142
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I wouldn't sweat it. They keep bringing up bans and infractions for me as if I've had any in the last 3 years. Such magnets, Hifi! I wonder if they know mods can see our histories? Lol.
I see an infraction in 2016 and in 2015
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:22 PM   #143
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I didn't realize we were including 0 point warnings?

If that's a "magnet for bans and infractions", would you care to post the rest of the present posters' 2015 and 2016 histories to demonstrate? It should all just be 0, right?

How about just the people who made the accusation then. 0, right?
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:24 PM   #144
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Larry is one of the smart ones who got out early, well played.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:38 PM   #145
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I see an infraction in 2016 and in 2015
Yeah she told someone to kill themselves not too long ago, and it wasn't a joke.

But the thing is, LL, she runs games every once in a while (I think), so the psychotic slips like that are just the price we have to pay for her presence. Or something.

Anywho, I'd also like to apologize on behalf of POG for this thread turning into a soap opera.

And I would just like to circle back to the original point of the OP and reiterate that Monkey Banana is very, very bad at this modding business. Thanks!
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:44 PM   #146
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Yeah she told someone to kill themselves not too long ago, and it wasn't a joke.
That happened years ago, and I feel terribly about it. (It wasn't on 2+2 though, and you know that.)

But, if you want to talk about how awful this kind of behavior is with someone who did actually do it super recently and doesn't feel badly at all about it, I know who you could ask. Its all over the grapevine.

Maybe he wants to identify himself?

Or you could just drop these ridiculous character attacks.

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Old 02-07-2017, 11:59 PM   #147
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No guesses?

Ok.

Spoiler:
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:01 AM   #148
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And how many infractions have you eaten in the last two years, domer? How many bans?

Girl, enough already. I've been cool this whole time, but its time to let it go.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:15 AM   #149
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personal attacks itt

Shirley something will be done about it

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Old 02-08-2017, 12:24 AM   #150
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You should go home too now, Becky. You have no moral high ground here.
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