Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

About the Forums Here's where you post suggestions about the forums and the software that implements them.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-06-2017, 03:58 PM   #1
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Powertrips and Other Grievances

Let me set the scene how this all began: After the Versailles treaty and it's unusually tough conditions for reparations, 1920s Germany finds itself with a power vacuum...

Ok maybe I shouldn't back it up the whole way. Point is that there seems to be at least one mod running rampant in POG banning everything on sight.

We are currently discussing whether it's sexist to hand out Ms POG awards. As it currently stands, some of these stricter mods are trying to kill off the event under the guise of it. Heaven forbid we gave out more awards to Anna Kendrick.

Some of the posts that have gotten people banned:
Quote:
Originally Posted by domer2 View Post
That a mere suggestion of an "accusation" or "personal slight" is enough to warrant a 1 day ban is sort of case in point of the highly toxic, rigid environment that is 2017 POG. Gone are the days of a lively, creative, fun forum full of drama and laughs

And so it is that the joyless moderati now turn their cannon on Miss POG, keen to stamp out the last vestiges of a fun contest (under the Palapatine-esque guise of "we're having a discussion" and "nothing will be imposed"). They're intent to interpret a thread in the worst possible light because of the laughably hollow complaints of a thrice-banned troll, who - it must be emphasized - had no problem running the event 2 years prior. And of course Timelady championed it for a few years as well, and no complaints were mounted. In fact, her nominations were often quite stellar.

The kerfuffle is a poorly choreographed charade. No one compels participation or interest, and yet the hobbyless clicked on it nonetheless, seeking to create a controversy and outrage out of thin air. Taking a stand against the most benign of threads -- an unclear injustice against victims unknown or non-existent.

The premise that a celebration of the female form/talents/personality is somehow untoward let alone offensive is, of course, flatly idiotic. And those that prostrated themselves before the absurdly obvious concern troll apparently feel the need to play out that losing hand right through to the end, even if it means having to shoot the dealer and anyone still in the pot.
^ Observes everything quite truthfully. Very ironic considering it starts off with pointing out the problems with this nazi regime in POG.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 72off View Post
getting old sucks for women

meanwhile we just come off smarter, more distinguished, and ****
^ Very obviously a joke directed at the female gender. There is a small clique of posters on POG who combine something like 200k posts on 2p2. Never in their lives have they made another poster laugh with one of them. In POG people actually get banned for making jokes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tchaz View Post
even more of a knob than you were before you came back.

great.
^ Calling out the joke modding.

As evidenced by the last one - we need a safe space where we can discuss these things without feeling like we have certain mods hunting us down only to silence us.

I take pride in my ability to distinguish whether codswallop has coinage. This is clearly without.
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 04:19 PM   #2
kerowo
lolcat
 
kerowo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 32,254
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Is it sexist to put up photos of women and judge them just on their age and looks?

Of course it is.
kerowo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 04:22 PM   #3
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Okay but what about the codswallop?
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 04:23 PM   #4
kerowo
lolcat
 
kerowo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 32,254
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

It's POG
kerowo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 04:57 PM   #5
domer2
temp-banned
 
domer2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 32,698
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Notwithstanding the Miss POG stuff, which has been belabored to death, Monkey Banana is a whip-cracking mod of a forum that needs next to zero modding.

A barely literate 10 year old who works in a coal mine for 18 hours a day could handle the task of modding POG in his free time. (In fact, if you're out there Little Timmy, please apply to be a POG mod, you'd be ideal)

Anyway, with a forum on autopilot and no place to flex his emerald emblazoned internet weaponry, this dude MB takes it upon himself to create "problems" that he can "fix." It is bizarre, self-righteous stuff.

So I'm not sure if this thread will accomplish anything (besides lol POG), but if I could offer one bit of advice, it would be tell MB to take his finger off the trigger and just relax. Or maybe just remove the trigger.
domer2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 04:58 PM   #6
ScreaminAsian
For President
 
ScreaminAsian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: grabbing life by the pussy
Posts: 19,807
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

there is a small clique of mods here that are absolutely out of their minds with abusing their website powers by threatening users with private messages over made up slights that never even happened. SAD! hey here's an idea: why don't you try contributing some actual content to this website instead of shutting down those that do. i'm not sure a lot of these so-called "mods" aren't aligned with ISIS because they are promoting their terrorist agenda TO THE LETTER

Last edited by ScreaminAsian; 02-06-2017 at 05:00 PM. Reason: VERY UNFAIR!
ScreaminAsian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:01 PM   #7
ScreaminAsian
For President
 
ScreaminAsian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: grabbing life by the pussy
Posts: 19,807
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

they're terrorists. and if mason is reading, he should know that they're also communists
ScreaminAsian is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:03 PM   #8
kioshk
Nixonian
 
kioshk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: now Watergate does not bother me
Posts: 89,734
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Monkey is by far the worst mod Pog has ever had, and he's definitely been a train wreck in there. He was a terrible pick to begin with, and it got worse from there. Domer is completely right about Pog needing very little modding. Also about Monkey creating a bunch of new problems of his own making.
kioshk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:23 PM   #9
2/325Falcon
Conehead
 
2/325Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 21,014
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

2/325Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:26 PM   #10
filthyvermin
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
filthyvermin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: ****
Posts: 37,116
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

i am part of the group that told monkeybanana miss pog was sexist and therefore offensive.

monkeybanana then started a thread to discuss the situation

monkeybanana clearly stated in the op to keep the discussion about the subject of miss pog and not about the individuals. he warned if you post about the people instead of the arguments you will be temp banned.

two or three people got banned for one day

monkeybanana is a good dude. and he does a good job. he pretty much single handedly mods the pog politics thread, and it runs pretty smoothly

it's unclear why lenc is so upset, or why he is even posting in the thread at all. he called the whole thread ludicrous, and made 28 posts in the thread. i guess miss oot isn't enough for him? he needs a miss pog too?
filthyvermin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:28 PM   #11
Crossnerd
Pog Nonpareil
 
Crossnerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34,053
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

All Monkey Banana did was start a thread to discuss the future of a sexist contest, a discussion which the female posters of the forum expressly asked for. I know that VoraciousReader and I thank him for it.

Last edited by Crossnerd; 02-06-2017 at 05:35 PM.
Crossnerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:30 PM   #12
Crossnerd
Pog Nonpareil
 
Crossnerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34,053
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Quote:
Originally Posted by VoraciousReader View Post
What a silly post. Crossnerd opened discussion of this topic in the Miss POG nominations thread, and another forum member, ArcticKnight, requested that the discussion continue in another thread. Crossnerd concurred. The thread was created.

Does the person that created it have an opinion on the topic? Yes, but the thread was specifically created based on member feedback. Complaining that a green started it would be like complaining that someone requested to have their thread locked and MonkeyBanana locked it.

The truth is, of course, that Miss POG is unapologetically sexist and always has been. Your post makes me think that you don't want to defend it on that basis, so you decided to attack the OP of the thread.

I've campaigned enthusiastically in Miss POG in the past. I think beautiful women, as a gender, are on the whole better looking than beautiful men, and I can appreciate female beauty and sexiness, even as a straight female. That doesn't change the fact that if I'm honest, Miss POG is the forum equivalent of a wet t-shirt contest. As a woman, I avoid bars with wet t-shirt contests and would immediately leave if I accidentally entered one because 1) I would be horribly uncomfortable and 2) I think they feed into an atmosphere that is both hostile toward and dangerous to women.

Also, dismissing Crossnerd's real concerns as "political correctness gone mad" epitomizes everything I dislike about the anti-pc contingent. As Miss Manners says, attempting to avoid giving offense when interacting with others is merely minimal civility.

About 15 years ago, some people in our society decided that the more powerful people in our society being willfully rude and insensitive toward the less powerful people in our society was somehow appropriate, because attempting to display sensitivity toward the less powerful was "being politically correct." Those of us that see through the laughably transparent reframing that had to take place for this to happen keep patiently waiting for people to "get it", but so far society has let us down.

I think it's disappointing that some people not only brushed aside CN's concerns but then supported nominating a porn star. I can assure you of one thing: no woman is ever going to feel welcomed in a message board that chooses to represent itself a woman whose highest accomplishment is her gaping ******* and her wilingness to display it.

CN didn't ask to abolish Miss POG, she just asked for an expansion of the criteria...one that might lead to a Miss POG that all the members of the forum can be proud of. It certainly seems like a reasonable and overdue request to me...that is if you actually WANT women to participate in the forum. If what you want is a boys club, well, you're well on your way to having one.
Our thoughts here ^
Crossnerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:32 PM   #13
2/325Falcon
Conehead
 
2/325Falcon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 21,014
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

I heard gender is just a social construct so make someone with a penis Miss POG. Ez game.
2/325Falcon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:38 PM   #14
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

The regular culprits again posting absolute nonsense that has nothing to do with tchaz currently being banned because he called the mod a *gasp* knob and the mod retaliated because he makes the mistake of equating cleaning up spam with educating people with how to act and behave.
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:49 PM   #15
Crossnerd
Pog Nonpareil
 
Crossnerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34,053
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

The posts in question were the result of some of you absolutely freaking out over the thought of losing one aspect of your bikini competition. Next time, don't freak out.
Crossnerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:54 PM   #16
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossnerd View Post
The posts in question were the result of some of you absolutely freaking out over the thought of losing one aspect of your bikini competition. Next time, don't freak out.
She was asking for it. It was the result of her wearing all that revealing clothing. Next time, wear a turtleneck.
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 05:56 PM   #17
Crossnerd
Pog Nonpareil
 
Crossnerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34,053
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

You are not a victim, lenC.
Crossnerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:05 PM   #18
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

First they game for the Vegas sharps. I did not speak up, because I was not a Vegas sharp.

Then they came for the half canuck hockey slappies. I did not speak up, because I was not a half canuck hockey slappy.

Then they came for the Brazilian-Latvian neo-drone connoisseurs. I did not speak up, because I was not a Brazilian-Latvian neo-drone connoisseur.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me.
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:07 PM   #19
soah
Unexpected
 
soah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59,400
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

MB started things off on the wrong foot by making threats of bans before any problems had actually started, even more so when he's already known to have strong opinions on the subject. That put him in the position of having to actually enforce his threat, and obviously people like domer aren't going to suddenly become capable of disagreeing about anything without making it personal and nasty.

There were a lot of personal attacks in the thread against the two women who posted in it, including posts by several other people (and a mod) who didn't get bans. Both of them had conducted themselves perfectly and were repeatedly called liars and hypocrites and attention whores, etc.

I hate to be put in the position of defending MB's modding in that thread, because I don't think it was handled well, but there were a bunch of people in that thread who unwittingly provided excellent examples of the sexism and misogyny that lurks beneath the surface. It was kind of eye-opening really, even in spite of the fact that no one was behaving out of character.
soah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:28 PM   #20
Hold'em 07
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Hold'em 07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 18,192
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

The people that have been controlling POG and why it's been considered a joke for the better part of 6 years:

Dear Leader:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...wrong-1386525/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4557

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4594

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4598

Permabanned 3 times (or 4. who knows). The pog mods were hand selected to make sure that Dear Leader was a) unbanned and b) would never be banned again. Has a flock of misfits at her disposal that unleash word vomit tirades across multiple threads and forums to avenge the queen.

Misfit 1:

Quote:
Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield View Post


one of these i may be high in also
A loyal defender. Also a believer in pizza gate. A real scholar and gentileman.

Misfit 2:



He doesn't realize it, but his best performance as an actor has been his posts on 2+2. Unfortunately he's not acting. Eats hot dogs without buns and sleeps on a cardboard bed in a stranger's garage.

Misfit 3:



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=593

Quote:
You are just a pawn of SGT RJ who pushed the ban in the first place because even after many months have gone by SGT RJ was so rustled that she was called a fat kunt by x-nerd ON SKYPE....she felt the need to mention it in BSG skype chat.


Just a glimpse into 1/4th of the mod brain that makes decisions in pog. Sporting Events is led by a guy that travels around the world, pog is led by a guy that pours cheap beer on his head.


The only real way to fix that subforum is to unmod all current mods and then ban all of the above posters plus a few others. Let the dust settle and then figure out how to proceed from there.
Hold'em 07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:39 PM   #21
UncleDynamite
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
UncleDynamite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Moscow&Trieste
Posts: 23,913
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

To be fair to the current mods, I think Crossnerd has been reinstated by The Moocher. I do not think it was a good idea.
UncleDynamite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:40 PM   #22
lenC
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
lenC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,279
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

That seems like a few steps too far, Hold'em.

Soah, as I understand you are some richelieuian figure in the mod forum calling the shots instead of Kruze and Gambit. How far off is that assessment? Only interested in figuring out how exactly the POG bureaucracy and lines of command currently work.

You are of course grossly mistaken when implying that people in general were disrespectful of VR in the thread. It's very cheap to build up the credibility of Crossnerd like that and makes you seem biased for me not to trust your judgment.

And of course the people have spoken and there are enough that MB needs to be toppled. If the feminists need to treat this as some American Supreme Court Justice nomination between a split president and congress then we might find some compromises. My personal picks are UnclyDynamite and Stuckinarutt. They seem fair and interested in making POG better.
lenC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:43 PM   #23
Crossnerd
Pog Nonpareil
 
Crossnerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 34,053
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

I'm a poster in good standing afaik, and have been for years. For reference though, the mods who invited me back were TheMoocher, CPHoya, and Wellnamed. None of the current mods were moderators at that time.

I'm still unsure how my personal history or character relates to whether Miss Pog is sexist. Or how my personal history or character relates to people being banned for things said by themselves.

Last edited by Crossnerd; 02-06-2017 at 06:49 PM.
Crossnerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:50 PM   #24
UncleDynamite
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
UncleDynamite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Moscow&Trieste
Posts: 23,913
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Quote:
Originally Posted by lenC View Post
That seems like a few steps too far, Hold'em.

Soah, as I understand you are some richelieuian figure in the mod forum calling the shots instead of Kruze and Gambit. How far off is that assessment? Only interested in figuring out how exactly the POG bureaucracy and lines of command currently work.

You are of course grossly mistaken when implying that people in general were disrespectful of VR in the thread. It's very cheap to build up the credibility of Crossnerd like that and makes you seem biased for me not to trust your judgment.

And of course the people have spoken and there are enough that MB needs to be toppled. If the feminists need to treat this as some American Supreme Court Justice nomination between a split president and congress then we might find some compromises. My personal picks are UnclyDynamite and Stuckinarutt. They seem fair and interested in making POG better.
My first edict will be a ban of everyone who spells my name incorrectly.

But on a serious note: a good mod is not only fair, but also fairly perceived. I do not know if I'd be able to be fair to anyone, and I know these people would definitely not trust me.
UncleDynamite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 06:57 PM   #25
soah
Unexpected
 
soah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 59,400
Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Hold'em 07 raises a good point as well, which is that there is a large group of people in POG who will always side against Crossnerd no matter what, and they will try to bait her into going into one of her infamous downward spirals that results in a ban. He hasn't posted in the thread in question, and obviously hasn't even read it since he incorrectly surmised that KruZe has taken Crossnerd's side in that thread, yet he's in here to attack her for things which are entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.

That's essentially the same thing that happened in the other thread, except that the others at least could hide behind the plausible deniability of at least knowing what the topic of discussion was -- not that their posts actually addressed it too much.
soah is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.33 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ę 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online