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Old 01-06-2017, 08:04 PM   #51
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The bizarre need for an extra politics forum shows how bad the "official" politics forum is being run
An extra politics forum exists because, originally, Mat felt bad for Lirva and gave him a forum where he could spew his idiocy as much as he wanted without bothering the rest of us. It has always been, and remains now, a cesspool where awful posters go to spread their derp so that it doesn't have to be spread around the rest of 2+2 (similar to how the original Politics formerly served that function to save the rest of the forums from political discussion).

There is a reason that PU, and not P, has been the forum to go through several moderation changes in the last few years, lol.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:07 PM   #52
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Pretty sure the main Politard forum is the main containment forum.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:09 PM   #53
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haha the sidebar says More Politics now.
Let's start to think about the implications of that.

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Old 01-06-2017, 08:13 PM   #54
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An extra politics forum exists because, originally, Mat felt bad for Lirva and gave him a forum where he could spew his idiocy as much as he wanted without bothering the rest of us. It has always been, and remains now, a cesspool where awful posters go to spread their derp so that it doesn't have to be spread around the rest of 2+2 (similar to how the original Politics formerly served that function to save the rest of the forums from political discussion).

There is a reason that PU, and not P, has been the forum to go through several moderation changes in the last few years, lol.
That may be one of the reasons why it was created but it has become much more of a venue now for political dissenters with how P is being moderated and who hold views that are contrary to the norm in P. I can't see the purpose of it now being an acceptable outcome for P.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:17 PM   #55
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Re: Politics version 7.0 discussion safe space

Strange thing happening. Chez seems to have a similar opinion to Wookie about what is racist/bigoted and what isn't.

Some jimmies getting rustled already.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:17 PM   #56
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That may be one of the reasons why it was created but it has become much more of a venue now for political dissenters with how P is being moderated and who hold views that are contrary to the norm in P. I can't see the purpose of it now being an acceptable outcome for P.
I dunno, I think most people are pretty happy with the fact that one of the two politics forums deals with explicit racism in a manner other than the mod doing nothing asking the offending poster really nicely to not do it again.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:22 PM   #57
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Strange thing happening. Chez seems to have a similar opinion to Wookie about what is racist/bigoted and what isn't.

Some jimmies getting rustled already.
Well if he can have the same opinion about what personal abuse is we may have something going...

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I dunno, I think most people are pretty happy with the fact that one of the two politics forums deals with explicit racism in a manner other than the mod doing nothing asking the offending poster really nicely to not do it again.
Well here is Wookie's test finally as to where the line should be drawn when it comes to racist posts with the application by Chez of rule 2 of More Politics (MP). I don't think this will even be a contest.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:44 PM   #58
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haha the sidebar says More Politics now.
It should say Politics version 7.0

Anyone know who I need to ask nicely?
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:52 PM   #59
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Re: Politics version 7.0 discussion safe space

bros it should say The Donald

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Old 01-06-2017, 09:54 PM   #60
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:20 PM   #61
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Well here is Wookie's test finally as to where the line should be drawn when it comes to racist posts with the application by Chez of rule 2 of More Politics (MP). I don't think this will even be a contest.
Sounds like it's problem solved then? You guys have your own private subforum where Wookie has no authority and the mod will allow unvarnished white supremacist hate speech to be posted. What's the point of continuing to whine about how much you hate Wookie's moderation when you'll never have to deal with it ever again?
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:23 PM   #62
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Sounds like it's problem solved then? You guys have your own private subforum where Wookie has no authority and the mod will allow unvarnished white supremacist hate speech to be posted. What's the point of continuing to whine about how much you hate Wookie's moderation when you'll never have to deal with it ever again?
They want a safe space to post that **** without anyone calling out their racism and bigotry.
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:28 PM   #63
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Sounds like it's problem solved then? You guys have your own private subforum where Wookie has no authority and the mod will allow unvarnished white supremacist hate speech to be posted. What's the point of continuing to whine about how much you hate Wookie's moderation when you'll never have to deal with it ever again?
You are wrong Trolly

Hate speech is no longer being allowed - it's not unchained anymore. Nor it it a private forum, all 2+2ers are welcome.
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:10 PM   #64
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It should say Politics version 7.0

Anyone know who I need to ask nicely?
i'll change if you want, but i was thinking the forum might change names occasionally under your watch and "more politics" will always be an accurate link.
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:35 PM   #65
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I'd rather change it to Politics version 7.0 please. I wont be updating the version number
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:37 PM   #66
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ok. kiera has to do it, so it won't be until tomorrow. pm me if it's neglected.
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Old 01-06-2017, 11:38 PM   #67
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Thank you.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:52 AM   #68
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Re: Politics version 7.0 discussion safe space

Maybe "Alt-Right Politics" instead?
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:43 AM   #69
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Maybe "White Supremacists Politics" instead?
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:44 AM   #70
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Re: Politics version 7.0 discussion safe space

I think this is a smart move by chez. Shows humor.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:25 AM   #71
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It should say Politics version 7.0

Anyone know who I need to ask nicely?
More Politics is way funnier, what is wrong with you? And Politics version 7.0 sucks. Chezland is what it should be called.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:05 AM   #72
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You are wrong Trolly

Hate speech is no longer being allowed - it's not unchained anymore. Nor it it a private forum, all 2+2ers are welcome.
Chez, one of the benefits of you not removing the hate speech that's been posted on your forum and not removed is that anyone can see you're lying here.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:37 AM   #73
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yes, but all bigots know that hate speech is diminished by time, thus leaving hate speech on Mason's and the Sklansky's site for the whole world, advertisers included, to see is actually a good thing, because time-diminished hate speech isn't actually hate speech!
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Old 01-07-2017, 05:26 AM   #74
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Chez, one of the benefits of you not removing the hate speech that's been posted on your forum and not removed is that anyone can see you're lying here.
There are plenty of people visiting the forum who can see what is going on Trolly. For those who haven't yet visited:
  • Politics Unchained allowed these posts for many years.
  • For the first time they are no longer allowed.
  • The rules are not yet well known or understood.
  • When posts are made that would previously have been acceptable, I am explaining to the poster and participants in the thread what isn't allowed any more. They will increasing lose the ability to post if they dont comply.
  • There's a lively discussion going on as people are begining to understand that its no longer unchained and exactly how the rules work. This would not be possible if the posts were deleted.
  • The focus is on changing the forum from how it has been for many years to the new modded one with rules

I welcome views and critcism of this approach both here and in Politics version 7.0
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Old 01-07-2017, 07:56 AM   #75
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Sounds like it's problem solved then? You guys have your own private subforum where Wookie has no authority and the mod will allow unvarnished white supremacist hate speech to be posted. What's the point of continuing to whine about how much you hate Wookie's moderation when you'll never have to deal with it ever again?
I guess I will let it go if either of the following 2 things happen that (1) he is demodded from P or (2) he is demodded from P but can mod "More Politics" or whatever it becomes called as the official politics forum that P is requires a more impartial mod.
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