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08-14-2017 , 07:02 PM
I'm always uncomfortable tossing posters (or any people) overboard.

I will join you for tea as long as it's a pint of
08-14-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm always uncomfortable tossing posters (or any people) overboard.

I will join you for tea as long as it's a pint of
Disrupting the 'organizing of loneliness' is a big challenge in a snap-ban world.

Chez - how are you ( according to your critics) both a nazi sympathizer and a PC leftist at the same time? Politics unchained/ p7.0 closed
08-14-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, it really doesn't. But it would seem that making a lot of assumptions about people from a post or two is your thing.


You know who "Mat's buddies" are? My apologies, I didn't know you had such information.


No idea, as I haven't read the forum. But Mat suggested he's leaning towards closing the forum, so presumably he has concerns. I'm saying I'd prefer that a way was found to address them rather than closing the forum.


OK.

I was asked for my opinion on something specific, and I gave it. It's not an opinion on what's happening in the forum now, because I don't read it, nor do I plan to, so I'm not qualified to give one.

And no, none of what I posted was disingenuous. All my horse****, if that's what you think it is, was sincere.
We already have a forum with the problems addressed, its called the politics forum. Then I guess Matt thought it would be cool to see what would happen in a forum where **** posters were free to run amok. Well now we know the result, we get a bunch of ****ty posting culminating in outright Nazi propaganda.
08-14-2017 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
We already have a forum with the problems addressed, its called the politics forum. Then I guess Matt thought it would be cool to see what would happen in a forum where **** posters were free to run amok. Well now we know the result, we get a bunch of ****ty posting culminating in outright Nazi propaganda.


That other politics forum has very questionable moderators.
08-14-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
We already have a forum with the problems addressed, its called the politics forum. Then I guess Matt thought it would be cool to see what would happen in a forum where **** posters were free to run amok. Well now we know the result, we get a bunch of ****ty posting culminating in outright Nazi propaganda.
Yeah, the thing about that is, I don't think it was such a problem originally, was it? Or am I mistaken? My recollection was that "Politics Unchained" was meant for people to be freer from rules about personal insults and things of that nature, and that while it wasn't without its hiccups, I certainly don't remember complaints about it being a bastion for white supremacists and other bigots and racists. So what's changed? Or is it just my poor, aging memory?
08-14-2017 , 07:21 PM
Well known bigot and racist juan valdez thinks both the Nazis and the people protesting Nazis are genocidal.

Two sides at blame folks.

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Originally Posted by juan valdez
are you surprised that people talk about the fact this act of terror happened in the middle of violent brawl which involved two opposing radical political groups with genocidal philosophies? it appears that the car attack was not planned (maybe it was but i haven't seen evidence) and an escalation in an already violent riot.
08-14-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
This is the crux though. Well named is I suspect going to agree with you. I'm generally more strict than him on what should be allowed as I preferred the approach of modding posts because they caused offense to vulnerable groups without having to judge the poster.

I've compromise a fair bit of that to accommodate Well Named who is a big asset to the forum/modding. We're still feeling our way since Well Named joined but have moved more in the direction of allowing offensive posts as long as they don't break the site rules.

There' no perfect stance on this particularly given how grubby and extreme real life politics is these days.
chezlaw if my crying before is stopping some stuff from getting deleted dont worry about me do what you got to. It will still piss me off when mine get deleted but...whatever.
08-14-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Disrupting the 'organizing of loneliness' is a big challenge in a snap-ban world.

Chez - how are you ( according to your critics) both a nazi sympathizer and a PC leftist at the same time? Politics unchained/ p7.0 closed
I've been called a Hitler enabler by toothsayer but so far no-one has made up that I'm a nazi sympathiser afaik. Give em time

At least the charge of being a PC lefty is true.
08-14-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, the thing about that is, I don't think it was such a problem originally, was it? Or am I mistaken? My recollection was that "Politics Unchained" was meant for people to be freer from rules about personal insults and things of that nature, and that while it wasn't without its hiccups, I certainly don't remember complaints about it being a bastion for white supremacists and other bigots and racists. So what's changed? Or is it just my poor, aging memory?
I think mat started the place with no mods but him and quickly went back on that after loads of, as the Internet nazis call it, ****posting.
08-14-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
chezlaw if my crying before is stopping some stuff from getting deleted dont worry about me do what you got to.
Thank you. Although your objection was very valid and I don't delete anything without a comment anymore or delete replies that have content.
08-14-2017 , 07:41 PM
chez, we bump into each other occasionally in the uk politard thread and the cricket thread. i dont know much about you but you seem a fair enough bloke

why are you and your two fellow mods allowing literal white supremacists a free reign to post literal white supremacist propaganda in your forum. i do not understand
08-14-2017 , 07:49 PM
Its been trash for a long time. Wil will proudly and happily tell you that it is immoral to oppose police brutality against blacks because police brutality must be tolerated in order to protect blacks from black criminals. It is outrageous for liberals to think otherwise. I am not exaggerating, go ask him. Like, he'll get mad that anyone could think different.

He will also tell you that assault should be used to stop a transgender woman from entering a woman's bathroom if he suspects them of being a man and that he will happily and proudly use violence to do so. Again, I am not exaggerating, go ask him. He will brag about it, he so proud of being "brave" enough to stand up for his beliefs and assault transgenders to protect his women.

And I'd probably say Wil is the "best" of the deplorable bunch.

They've always dressed up their ****posting with "liberals are the real racists, I just have a counter-intuitive but well-intentioned opinion about what is best for ALL people" non-sense that was just good enough to get by extremely, extremely generous modding. Then they got a chance to take a stand against literal Nazi terrorists to show their true colors............. and they immediately start apologizing for Nazis and spouting Nazi propaganda.... repeatedly and in unison.
08-14-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo
You know who "Mat's buddies" are? My apologies, I didn't know you had such information.
Yeah man you wanna guess if I have some primary source documentation here? For someone who immediately played the "I don't read the forum, not even the posts that got quoted in this thread I'm participating in" card you're a little smug.

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So what's changed?
Flashback to YESTERDAY, when I told you chez was modded as a troll:

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LOL.
Son if you ain't got any idea of what's going on there's an option besides typing all these posts available to you.
08-14-2017 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
chez, we bump into each other occasionally in the uk politard thread and the cricket thread. i dont know much about you but you seem a fair enough bloke

why are you and your two fellow mods allowing literal white supremacists a free reign to post literal white supremacist propaganda in your forum. i do not understand
He's a troll, dude, he's lying about the PC lefty stuff as a ****ing prank. Dude is in like year 3 of a vendetta he has against MrWookie for BruceZ getting demodded.
08-14-2017 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, the thing about that is, I don't think it was such a problem originally, was it?
Yes, it's been a problem for since day 1. People have been complaining about it for quite a while.
08-14-2017 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
chez, we bump into each other occasionally in the uk politard thread and the cricket thread. i dont know much about you but you seem a fair enough bloke

why are you and your two fellow mods allowing literal white supremacists a free reign to post literal white supremacist propaganda in your forum. i do not understand


Assuming you can identify literal WS propaganda, why should we be dis-allowed from confronting propaganda openly and dispelling it openly?
08-14-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
He's a troll, dude, he's lying about the PC lefty stuff as a ****ing prank. Dude is in like year 3 of a vendetta he has against MrWookie for BruceZ getting demodded.


That's your suspicion.
08-14-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
chez, we bump into each other occasionally in the uk politard thread and the cricket thread. i dont know much about you but you seem a fair enough bloke

why are you and your two fellow mods allowing literal white supremacists a free reign to post literal white supremacist propaganda in your forum. i do not understand
Thanks. They're not getting anything like a free reign - even so it's far more than I like personally. You're getting a somewhat distorted picture from here but I don't dispute that there are problematic post.The reality is that we have Trump in the white house and far too often, what are in my view, ridiculous and/or extreme positions are real life politics.

More is allowed now were closer to site rules as the standard so maybe if we're sticking to that we will have to consider losing a few posters.
08-14-2017 , 08:04 PM
Bull**** chez, all the deplorables have told you and the other mods to **** off in response to your warnings and yet they still are allowed to continue ****posting. After a full day of posting Nazi propaganda and refusing to stop, you may finally give a brief slap on the wrist. That'll show them!
08-14-2017 , 08:09 PM
fwiw the picture i have is not from here, its from occasionally popping into p7 and reading a few posts pretty much at random, usually from the main trump thread

every time i go away thinking how the hell is 2+2 letting this festering boil just continue on and on
08-14-2017 , 08:09 PM
There is no free reign. That is why they complain about the modding.

They get some leeway (currently more than I'd like) which clearly many are very opposed to. It's something we will address more when Well Named returns.
08-14-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Bull**** chez, all the deplorables have told you and the other mods to **** off in response to your warnings and yet they still are allowed to continue ****posting.


So no talking back either. Dang.
08-14-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
fwiw the picture i have is not from here, its from occasionally popping into p7 and reading a few posts pretty much at random, usually from the main trump thread

every time i go away thinking how the hell is 2+2 letting this festering boil just continue on and on
Ok. I agree it's an horrible thread. The reason for that may be found in the title? (should a thread on trump not be a bit of a festering boil?) but it's also because we went with the majority poster view that no content personal attacks should be allowed and we also relaxed the content rules closer to the site rules standard.

Not my personal preference by a long way
08-14-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah man you wanna guess if I have some primary source documentation here? For someone who immediately played the "I don't read the forum, not even the posts that got quoted in this thread I'm participating in" card you're a little smug.

Flashback to YESTERDAY, when I told you chez was modded as a troll:

Son if you ain't got any idea of what's going on there's an option besides typing all these posts available to you.
OK, I suppose that's fair to some extent - posting nothing but "LOL" was opening myself up to interpretation.

My "LOL" was based on nothing more than my understanding of Mat and how he works, and some common sesne. Pretty confident he wouldn't mod someone and take all this heat over it simply to troll people. I don't need to know anything of what's going on in the forum to know that much.
08-14-2017 , 08:26 PM
I wish somebody would pull the trigger and perma Fly for all his bull****, slander and lies that he spouts non stop.

      
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