P7 posters, readers, et. all.

If you want to fix the problem of these handful of bigots spewing their intolerance, start lobbying to mod me. I'll perma ban every one of the bigots. Don't even need mod forum access.

It's not even like the rules are unclear on bigotry.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...rules-1670588/

That's come up in discussions because I think we should be much more strict with new accounts. Discussing exiling or banning people is close to pointless otherwise.

Hey, why not be strict towards obvious bigots who literally defend Neo-Nazi terrorism and victim blame? There's an idea to consider.


I'm suspecting the answer, to my bump above directed at Mat, is "but muh traffic." Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It would be kind of funny if LirvA became the mod of his own containment forum.

This thread actually has me ready to close the forum. It never turned into anything particularly interesting and now its becoming a burden to me. So, no need to convince me it's a problem. Well named will have to convince me to keep it alive. I say well named because chez is the one people are complaining about to me and I believe who's next is closely aligned with chez, though I may be mistaken about that

'The wil show' is one of the more interesting things on 2p2.

Seems like chez was asked because he was the first to formally volunteer. There's plenty of good posters in the forum.

Why not boot those two and select a couple different ones? Seems like there's some meat on the bone or some decent posters wouldn't be regs there.

Maybe they're just there as a counterweight but I do think the forum has potential and is something of a necessity as a catch-all.

You gave JiggyMac a TO and plenty of stuff has been on par with that since.

Are you sabotaging your own forum here?

Can we just rename the forum "wil's brainfarts" and, as a condition of him being allowed to post on 2+2, every time he contradicts himself the same day or advocates physically assaulting innocent members of the public he has to donate $100 to a charity as voted for by regular posters?

Why not just perma ban white supremacists?

Traffic ldo.

I think one of the admin or mods said a while ago that without wil's dog**** posts the traffic this forum generates would drop to near zero.

I mean, no one is going to bother replying to SoShyt's or Morondog's posts unless they happen to already be reading that particular thread.

Does anyone remember when BBV4L was almost shut down because advertisers didn't like the picures of scantily clad women? An entire 5 star tunaman thread full of hot Asian women that even Barry Greenstein was posting in was nuked. iirc people were threatened with bans if they continued to post scantily clad women. Women in bathing suits, soooo offensive.

It's pretty clear that the concerns of advertisers matter more than the concerns of posters, and tptb have determined it's more profitable to keep white supremacists around than perma ban them. I've seen no statements or evidence to the contrary.

Yes, and to keep the odious ones onside every now and then the forum rules will be rehashed so they can reset their timeout counter back to zero.

Are you saying you wouldn't let people who want to murder you come hang out in your house?

I don't care if you do shut it down or not. Just realize you are not calling the shots, Fly and his band of cry babies are.

I don't care if you leave it open or not. Just realize you are not calling the shots, the white supremacy racist misogynistic transphobic homophobes are.

Personally I think it's a healthy thing that people with a moral code are objecting to the continuation of a forum that allows pro-Nazi and Nazi apologists to post their bilious spew.

Maybe you should consider getting one too.

pls shut it down, i dont want to be tempted to click on it cos every time i do i read something even more repugnant than the previous time

No, there is no meat on the bone, it is pure garbage. I post because I like posting on 2+2 and feel a obligation to not let disgusting far right-wing propaganda go unchallenged when I see it. Know my posting is not changing the world or anything, but guess it is that idea that everyone has an obligation to fight this crap in their little world to do their small part. But it would be much better if this site wasn't a host for disgusting far-right propaganda in the first place.

Yeah, they will find some other place do it but don't give lend them whatever credibility our community may have.

Your own personal line on morals and ethics says something about you, yes. Where you draw the line on what you allow people to post still says something about you as well, but it's not as clear-cut or as direct a relationship. For example, I might allow people to post opinions that are over my own moral and ethical lines, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's where my own lines are.

Nice. Do you think personalizing it like this actually makes your case stronger or more convincing?

It doesn't.

It would be a shame if the only way to fix things was to close the forum. If it's decided that what's going on there now is a problem, I'd rather see new rules and/or leadership as necessary, instead of closing it.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I've always seen it as a mix of both.

Yup. Doesn't really have a lot to do with this thread, though.

No, it really isn't.

I'd be very surprised if the keeping or banning of said posters has more than a negligible impact on the bottom line.

There's plenty of evidence all over the forums of threads where concerns of our posters are given priority over the interests of our advertisers. Thousands and thousands of posts of it.

Jesus what in the **** is wrong with the mods in P7?

It's made clear to mongidig that his post was over the line, he repeats the same claim:

And from the mods...nothing!!!!!!! WTF?

Why? What's the value in giving a soapbox to white supremacist garbage?

Bobo how do you personally feel about allowing white nationalist bigoted racist Nazi propaganda on 2+2?

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