POG is not Politics - Elliot must go!

[dkgojackets]

incredible jpg usage by iversonian here

[seattlelou]

Iversonian that was a brilliant pic!

[AlligatorBloodFTW]

what is the average post count of people posting itt?

[Aaronk56's Son]

Originally Posted by Aaronk56's Son

Well this saves me the trouble of compiling posts.

Originally Posted by ElliotR

"Don't delete posts to affect a snipe" was a rule understood by virtually all regular Pub posters of any reasonable tenure.

sigh, this is just wrong. Also banning>infract/warning was very wrong. Bringing back past mod rulings to show this.

Originally Posted by Zurvan

Consider this the one and only warning: No more deleting posts to change the TOTP.

December 2010. Rule goes into effect.

Krayz (who was banned) had 0 posts in that thread and presumably never read Zurvan's post.

Later in January 2011 a poster deletes a post to give himself totp over another poster. EliotR is mad and speaks his opinion. The then mod of POG Zurvan corrects him. At the time EliotR did not mod POG.

Originally Posted by Zurvan

It's infractable

Zurvan answers questions of other posters responding

Originally Posted by Zurvan

Playing games for totp is borderline spamming

Originally Posted by Zurvan

A warning is just a note that you've been warned

And the yellow tag only shows for you

Quote:

Yeah, but not spamming games

Originally Posted by Zurvan

There is no punishment. It is a warning that that action is something that can get you infracted.

Originally Posted by Zurvan

There's no rule against deleting posts

There is a rule about gaming for totp, which definitely includes deleting posts just so you get totp. It's a new rule, and it's been enforced before.

Originally Posted by Zurvan

The only thing that bothers me is people decided I would overmod before I did anything at all

I've done exactly three things since I took over:

Warned two people about TOTP, gave out an infraction over a post the poster admits was out of line,

Zurvan's answers set a precedent that deleting posts for totp will be initially dealt with using warnings. Krayz has 0 posts in that thread as well.

Zurvan, while outlining rules regarding totps, also mentions that "gaming for totp" is disallowed and considered borderline spamming. People regularly spam in the LC thread in order to get totps and are never (afaik) punished.

Deleting for totp not being allowed is referenced briefly a year later when it is included in one poster's half joke list of things that should be banned. No mod confirms its an actual offense. Before that he phrases it in a way which seems to make it clear that it isn't a bannable offense.

Later in June of 2012 there is a case of someone deleting a post to affect totp and no action being taken.

I'm linking the page since there are too many relevant quotes. Inb4 lol POG not reading that.

In this thread Krayz had 519 posts. Anyways...

tl;dr cliffs: Average poster shouldn't know the rule. Precedent was for warnings>Ban. Rules were not enforced regularly enough to justify the offense being banable.

Originally Posted by atakdog

The incident that sparked this wasn't pretty and may have been a mistake (though I love how OP left out the fact that the conduct that led to the bans was an established, albeit unpopular, rule for which people had been temp-banned before), but that was one incident. The rest of his tenure, he just helped. He modded when necessary. He was one of the good things about POG.

When did these bans occur? My searching of the past couple years wasn't perfect. Also there were other recent complaints about his modding style. Last part is just your opinion.

Just want to add that any criticism of him as a mod is not criticism of him as a person.

[ElliotR]

So, let's see what we have here.

You admit, as you must, that the "no deleting to affect a snipe" has been a rule since 2010.

And in fact it was *extensively* discussed in January 2011, as you allude to, although you did fail to mention that Zurvan explicitly said that he *warned* CDL because he thought CDL might not have been aware of the rule. And you also failed to mention that kioshk and pwnsall were right there in that Pub and posting on those pages so they obviously knew the rule. And you also have failed to take into account that Krayz already admitted ITT that he saw that I undeleted Akdal's post and that they all acted together so he knew what he was doing too.

So what is your point, exactly? zomg bannings instead of infractions?

LOL @ you guys. If you care about being banned for a couple of hours then don't knowingly break rules to troll

I will say thanks for reminding me of that Pub V thread, though, since I came across this gem as part of that discussion:

Originally Posted by Larry Legend

I know my opinion doesn't matter much, if at all.

But I think Zurvan is an awesome mod, and the things he has done have been very pro-POG and pro-poster's enjoyment of POG.

I think all of the nittery about "over-modding" and such are really silly and even infantile.

I think if we considered the fact that being a mod can be tough for the alienation aspect and the separation it puts between you and the posters you are supposed to mod for, it is a lot of work for little reward, so the least we can do is not be nits about it and give him a hard time for being a nice guy for us.

Remember how Larry was before he became a scumbag that engages in character assassination and picks on the mentally ill? You know, when he was the kind of guy that, if he had an issue with modding, would have had the courtesy to send a PM or two to try to address it instead of making an ass of himself? Whatever happened to that guy?

[metsandfinsfan]

I love Elliot

[Aaronk56's Son]

Originally Posted by ElliotR

So what is your point, exactly? zomg bannings instead of infractions?

LOL @ you guys. If you care about being banned for a couple of hours then don't knowingly break rules to troll

Was 24 hours, not a couple. Krayz did not knowingly break the rule. Your definition of trolling is very broad. Rule only exists because people did it excessively. The offense in question was a one time incident which you responded to with unprecedented heavy handedness. D4's posting leading up to the milestone post was a breach of the rules Zurvan laid out at the same time he said deleting is not allowed. You enforce one yet not the other. I don't know how you defend your decision.

Pretty sure Larry is the same and the only difference is your modding compared to Zurvan's.

[ElliotR]

Originally Posted by Aaronk56's Son

Was 24 hours, not a couple. Krayz did not knowingly break the rule. Your definition of trolling is very broad. Rule only exists because people did it excessively. The offense in question was a one time incident which you responded to with unprecedented heavy handedness. D4's posting leading up to the milestone post was a breach of the rules Zurvan laid out at the same time he said deleting is not allowed. You enforce one yet not the other. I don't know how you defend your decision.

Pretty sure Larry is the same and the only difference is your modding compared to Zurvan's.

LOL. You have a lot of growing up to do, dude. Good luck with it.

[goofyballer]

Elliot is a boss, **** all you clowns ITT

[Aaronk56's Son]

Originally Posted by ElliotR

You know, when he was the kind of guy that, if he had an issue with modding, would have had the courtesy to send a PM or two to try to address it instead of making an ass of himself?

Originally Posted by ElliotR

but by all means go start an ATF thread if you disagree.

Pretty sure Larry did exactly what you told him to do.

[metsandfinsfan]

Lol pog

I live Elliot

[ElliotR]

Originally Posted by Aaronk56's Son

Pretty sure Larry did exactly what you told him to do.

hahahahahaha, dude, wtf are you doing? Do you really think that you can selectively quote like that on the internet where the original is there for all to see?

I'm pretty comfortable with a position that rape jokes are out of line on a site where "try hitting her" is a bannable offense, but by all means go start an ATF thread if you disagree.

Part of growing up is knowing when to quit, dude. Think about it.

[metsandfinsfan]

Larry drools
Elliot rules

[Aaronk56's Son]

I left out the rest of the post because it's not relevant. Point is when someone questioned your modding decision you told them to start an ATF thread.

Our complaint was inconsistent modding on your part. Not whether or not we could make rape jokes.

[kioshk]

Akson is completely right about that. And your attitude toward him is very condescending.