He can't rebut anything because he's a coward

This seems oddly relevant - on the alt-right's efforts to create their own version of facts:

https://www.wired.com/story/welcome-...the-alt-right/

Suggests to me that this site having basic policies, like no blatant racism, may lead some conservative members to self-select out of forum participation. There's a thousand white nationalist forums and fake wikipedias where they can spread their hatred, why waste time here?

Some do, of course, due to this site being heavily trafficked, but if you're free to spew bigotry on chiefsplanet or redstate, why spend the effort on unwelcoming terrain?

this thread is really depressing. i'm a political ignoramus. but i still find the topic interesting at times. considering it impacts my life and others whether i like it or not.

but my awareness of my ignorance makes me want to learn more about every perspective. it doesn't make me want to call other people names.

I would recommend the Trump 100 days thread in Politics. The guy who wrote the updates was very fact based. Although it does not necessarily make you aware of the entirety of conservative propaganda.

When conservative posters end up resorting to trolling or expressing ignorant and bigoted viewpoints like "there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim" there's nothing to learn or discuss.

There seems to be only a few right wing posters that post in politics that have been able to stick with "Tax Cuts are great!" without expressing "Muslims are the devil!" every time a terrorist act occurs or even more nefarious and bigoted arguments.

tl;dr There aren't many educated conservatives on this site that are in the politics forums holding reasonable discussion.

yeah well, you can't beat evolution.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

i have to sleep. not ignoring.

Look man,

I agree on the importance of learning both sides. I consume media on both sides in order to do my best to do so. But the people who pop up to present talking points on this website have no interest in discussion. They just spew hate and willful ignorance. Our friend Zorky here has failed to respond to no less than three direct, easy to answer questions in other sections of this forum since the one I asked in this thread. He doesn't want to have a discussion. He wants to lie and laugh at liberals. Almost all of them do.

There are some who are decent folks who believe that their views are right and are willing to actually explain what their views are and why they are that way. But that is a far cry from "There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim just like there is no such thing as a moderate KKK member."

I'm an atheist. I think religion is mind poison. But that statement is just wrong. There are moderate members of EVERY religion. Just trying to be good people who have been brainwashed that their belief system is the right one. Zork's comment was stupid and hateful and should rightfully be called out every time that **** is presented here on your site.

i wasn't suggesting otherwise.

You aren't an awful poster though Mat, bahbah is. I question the whole "ask the worst posters on 2+2 what will make 2+2 better for them" theory. The answer is always going to be "let us post more worse."

that's a lot of material you've assigned. i will read it all over the next few days. it's going to take awhile, because some of the claims i need to examine further.

I'm realizing that and it's unfortunate. The alternative politics forum has not seemed to encourage that type of poster, either.

This post not getting NEARLY enough love. Chips (as usual) is right.

I regret that you conflate libertarian conservatism with bigotry. We stand firmly against the notion that any person lacks equal worth to another.

I regret that you don't agree that I am just one conservative example of an educated poster trying to hold a reasonable discussion of the issues. Any lack of response to questions, such as from master3004, is solely because I believe those discussions are better held in a politics thread rather than an ATF thread. And master has earned an ignore from me in those threads because he has resorted to the worst kinds of personal attacks repeatedly.

Your moderators make it impossible for us to participate fully in the politics and alternative politics forum because although they quite reasonably ban racist posting nominally, they read a conservative post and falsely equate it to a racist one sometimes. It has become a de facto ban on conservative ideology.

You deserve the other side of the story, Mat, and this post is my small contribution to giving that to you.

I singled it out for much love, and am endeavoring to follow his advice.

I will prove that it is possible to post and survive in any forum regardless of the extent of bias by moderation; the key is to avoid third rail topics. It shouldn't have to be the case, given that I am innocent of what they accuse me of, as are the rest of us libertarian conservatives, but the practical lesson here is that there are so many other things about which I can post without having to sling personal mud back at those who would sling it at us, that no one could possible justify an infraction for.

Being surprised that there aren't a lot of smart conservative posters here to have reasonable discussions with is like being surprised there aren't a lot of liberals posters doing the same at sites like breitbert or infowars. When you have years and years of a forum culture that is hateful towards a political party don't be surprised when that party stops showing up or starts trolling the hatred - especially when some of the mods are the worst of the offenders.

- those are news sites, 2+2 is a poker site
- it wasn't even that long ago that the Politics forum was overrun with libertarians and anarchists

Unless they are a black man in a car gunned down by a cop. Then they have it coming

You ignore the questions in pog politics and regular politics as well. It's kinda your mo

I wonder how long it is before the mods of various forums take to thank Mr. Mat for unleashing the aids of Zorkman onto their various forums. He is someone who hasn't participated for a single post in the UK politics thread and his introductory post into a many thousand post thread was concern trolling the use of the term politard.

You are forgetting one very important tool in their arsenal. That is the troll label. You can strictly follow every rule, including not being a troll, but once they throw that label at you you are toast. Believe me.

Believe you? Is it the best most huge tool in out arsenal?

Maybe you should just post better?

Really good book I used in a Contemporary Moral Problems class last semester. Covers all the major pillars of philosophical throughout human history.
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Mora...ral+philosophy