But people (or their surrogates) who declare they are not going to be a victim to other people's arbitrary judgementalism, etc sure feel free to jump on other people based on the response to me in this thread.

This thread is indeed crap

I'm not jumping on you, Doc, I'm trying to inform you of something. I think you made a joke with no malice or ill intent intended, but straight pride is a real thing, and a real ugly thing at that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_pride

I do not believe you were trying to associate yourself with that movement, and I certainly hope you wouldn't want to be associated with it. However, it does exist, and it uses language identical to your joke for social and political goals that I and many others find extremely repugnant.

I love how some people proclaimed that Bert and Ernie were gay. I don't remember if it were gays that were saying that or straights that were saying that, but the last time I checked Bert and Ernie were inanimate objects with no sexual organs.



Is it working?

I spent the late sixties and early seventies trying not to be straight, does that count?

ya doc is definitely not hateful, he just feels that it's high time the gays got taken down a notch. cause sometimes, groups of people get cocky, and they start movements to try to empower themselves, and i look out at the world today and i ask myself, "who's out there giving ME any power?". NOBODY. there aren't any gangs of asians with shotguns in pickup trucks going out at night and bringing me back the power. but there should.

1) I didn't even know about that group when I changed my location.

2) From what I understand, you're not even Asian.

Why yes, yes, it does. Why are you checking out inanimate objects to see if they have sexual organs? If they do, does it matter what sort?

Lee

I hate being observant enough to see when someone posts, but not fast enough to read it before they delete it.

How many muppets can you fit in one bathtub?

well it looks great

I don't know. Why don't you tell us?

Changed the title back so I don't spoil the title jokes ITT.

Getting dizzy with the title changes.

I cant even fathom an appropriate response to this

It's like being proudly not homosexual

Just as in poker, the answer is "it depends". Depends on the size of the bathtub. Depends on the size of the muppets. Not as many Big Birds as Ernies, I would think.

Lee

Exactly. Like zak said earlier, it prob wasnt intentional, but its belittling and mocking a life experience doc knows nothing about and will never know about

Then someone who says they are proudly homesexual is saying they are proudly not heterosexual?

As they say in legal dramas, that's assuming facts not in evidence.

Maybe you're not an idiot and a homophobe, so I'll humor you.

When James Brown sings "I'm black and I'm proud," it's not about sticking it to whitey. It's not an assertion that blacks are better than whites. What he actually means is, "I'm black, and I'm not ashamed." If anything, that song is a long-overdue answer to the old jazz song "Black and Blue" in which the singer feels "white inside" but laments his black skin, for which society treats him like less of a person.

Gay pride isn't about gay people thinking they're better than straights. It's about feeling normal, equal, unashamed of who you are, and comfortable in your own skin. You never had to hide your heterosexuality. No one told you that being straight was a disease, a sin, a perversion, a pox on your family lineage, a deep disappointment to your parents, a sign of weakness. "Straight" isn't an insult hurled in the school yard. Gay pride is about defying those who'd call you a ******, not some nefarious plot.

Given the context of you never once in your life having been ashamed of who you are for being straight, when you come out in favor of straight pride, you're not sending a message of defiance or that you now, finally, are comfortable in your own skin, that at long last you can walk down the street holding the hand of the person you love openly. Instead, you're sending a message of hate directed right at gays, that they should feel worse for being gay, and that you feel superior for being straight. If that's not your intention, you should probably change your location.

As someone else in the thread said, "...not going to be a victim to other people's arbitrary judgementalism, blame, or persecution."

Several of us have been bending way over backwards ITT giving you the benefit of the doubt and pitching softballs. That's starting to seem like a mistake.