Who runs this place that actually plays poker. Seems like everyone who is a mod is just another busto ****, like the rest of 2p2. You do nothing and RJ over here pointing out he has 3 infractions, oh lord, the world might end over that. His bad behavior might continue to the marketplace, you're a joke.
Within the context of this thread, where he's obnoxiously refusing to acknowledge that his inability to read and follow rules in trading threads (rules that are designed to protect the community at large) has any bearing on anything, the fact that he deliberately misrepresented how many current infractions he has seems relevant.
I'm not a MP mod and have no say/decision about whether he gets approved or not. But he didn't seem to do himself any favors with this thread, and his attitude/responses in it.
why is everyone picking on me because I can't read? of course I think I'm above the rules. I play HSMTT. I obnoxiously refuse all petty rules. I play HSMTT.
Last edited by evechad; 07-14-2012 at 06:23 PM.
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I don't think it's as bad as all that. I've seen people spaz out, or have a boatload of issues. OP doesn't seem to be in either category. For people in a similar boat I'd suggest just PMing a mod (and if one doesn't get back to you in time, try another). In practice there's usually like 25+ Marketplace requests coming in a day and other things to be done so you don't dwell on every single one or send out rejection notices. When it's a close decision a follow up message might help, provided you don't come off like an impatient tool or (most of all) an idiot. We did that all the time... if the guy sounded normal, you do get a little discretion. If somebody wants to go raging like bigpotpoker about it then oh well.
Sometimes you'd just say "don't get any infractions and reapply X date", or they'd get approved with a heads up that they're about at the limit. The first case is more likely if the person is like OP with a few infractions and minimal presence on 2+2.
And (OP): if you think posting s/n's is dumb you really underappreciate the extent of problems there are in the transfers thread as well as the Marketplace. It's a minor inconvenience to you but it's much more a PITA for some repeat scammer, back with a new account with no play on it. It also helps mods and posters spot a few clowns who come over from PTP or wherever after rolling a stake, or had an old account here but used that s/n before. it was asked of us by the forum regs too btw, and if we ask one person to do it then you have to ask everybody to.
Who runs this place that actually plays poker. Seems like everyone who is a mod is just another busto ****, like the rest of 2p2. You do nothing and RJ over here pointing out he has 3 infractions, oh lord, the world might end over that. His bad behavior might continue to the marketplace, you're a joke.
What is all of this supposed to mean? Every mod is busto, doesn't play poker, and is a joke? Is there actually a point to this, some kind of suggestion to improve things, or did you just feel like getting some anger at mods off your chest?
Wow, nice find. Yeah, I was already OK with the decision, but now it's looking rock solid. OP could easily be at 4 infractions and a few points from a permaban, but skated on that one.
A successful, trustworthy player being denied MP approval hurts those that might want to invest
He's already had several reputable people come on here and confirm his integrity wrt $$$, and yet because he hasn't demonstrated proper contrition and apparently continues to offend mod sensibilities in this thread he can't get approval?!!?
He's already had several reputable people come on here and confirm his integrity wrt $$$, and yet because he hasn't demonstrated proper contrition and apparently continues to offend mod sensibilities in this thread he can't get approval?!!?
Yeah, you're missing the point completely.
Six months from now when he makes a crap post in marketplace the mod who sees it is not going to remember, "Oh, that's just evechad, he plays high stakes so he's above the rules and auralex14 vouches for him so it's ok." Instead what's going to happen is the mod is going to waste 10 minutes investigating whether it's someone turned scammer or a hacked/sold account (IP checks, user notes, posting history, google, etc) and then he's going to give evechad another infraction, remove marketplace approval and possibly ban him. Total time wasted because he's a ****-up who can't follow simple directions: 15-30 minutes.
And then since they're now letting everyone into the Marketplace, regardless, they're going to have to move on to the next tard who doesn't care. And the next and the next. And all the Marketplace mods' time is spent cleaning up the poop left by all the everchads who never should have been given access in the first place. Which means it takes a lot longer for good posters to get approved and actual scammers are more likely to go undetected longer because the mods are dealing with this kind of crap all day.
also lol at everyone who thinks vouching should matter at all when it comes to the marketplace.
Are you saying vouching doesn't guarantee anything, or that vouching means nothing? If I don't know someone but someone I trust says they worked with someone in the past and they're good people then I feel a bit safer taking the risk, wouldn't you?
I've advocated repeatedly over the years that it simply shouldn't be allowed in threads because it's abused, not easy to police, and totally meaningless from a modding/enforcement perspective.
that it's been allowed to continue in whatever form it's still present is probably due to persuasive arguments that you cannot possibly save people from themselves when they are spending money and all potential investors can weigh whatever information however they want.
vouching should remain meaningless and non-persuasive when it comes to the approval process though. the subjectivity in the process should only be "what do I as mod of the marketplace think of this poster's use history on 2+2 and how it relates to the marketplace." marketplace mods remain mostly hands off unless certain things appear in the posters history.
OP may be a great guy irl but that's not what the approval process is about. Revisit it down the road. Lots of decisions that were correct when made can also be correctly reversed later.
I don't doubt that Chad is a good person and isn't going to scam anyone but that being said there's a vetting process that 2+2 has established to help keep members reasonably safe when making these transactions.
He was told when his infractions were removed, I think in Sept., to go ahead and reapply and he shouldn't have any problems. That sounds pretty reasonable to me and I'm really not sure why this has become such an issue.
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