If a poster wants to dispute an infraction, how would they go about doing so the correct way?

What did the mods of that forum say when you PMed them?

Basically agreed that the post he warned me for contained no infraction. That's it so far. Want me to post the correspondence?

edit: Ok, no...you edited YOUR post lol. The mod that I messaged just basically agreed that there was no infraction. The mods of the forum? How do I know who to send the message to?

I have had a discussion in PM with the moderator who gave me the infraction. It was a ridiculous conversation and he absolutely refused to tell me who I was to inform if I wanted to question or challenge his infraction.

What is the policy here when you have a moderator out of control like this? Who puts the leash back on him?

He now says that the only person who I can appeal this to is Mat Sklansky himself. That's true?

Yes, you have my permission to post our entire exchange if you like. I think many people would enjoy it.

[PHP][/PHP] Including the part where you flat out state at this point that my infraction was calling someone "dense"?

You do realize that's not a violation of the forum rules, right?

As I said, go ahead and post our entire exchange. Or I can if you like.

That's what you wrote, right?

Let's just cut to the chase: What rule did I break other than calling someone dense, which is not a violation of any forum rule.?

Or you could just stick to the topic at hand and say what forum rule I violated. Right?

Either post the entire exchange, or none of it. My explanation of the rule you broke is in that exchange, as you know.

Is this a new forum rule you're making up?

Third time: What forum rule did I violate when I called someone dense?

Can you EVER be wrong?

^ This is the post that BoboFett warned me for. Anyone see a forum infraction in there? TWENTY POINTS worth of one?

That's what I received. A 20 point infraction for THIS post.

Nutflush, please post the PM exchange so we can laugh at you.

Wait a second here...why would you find it funny that someone would receive an infraction that was unwarranted?

On just about every forum out there, people would want to know if a moderator was giving out warnings and infractions for his own personal reasons. Nobody on 2p2 cares? If they don't, that's fine - I'll just go post somewhere that has actual moderation.

Why do you refuse to post the exchange?

Why do none of you on 2p2 know how to answer a question?

Why can't he state what the infraction was and why can't you tell me what would be comical about an exchange that you haven't seen yet?

I'll wait.

edit: I just looked. I thought you were a moderator and you're not. Are you the person here on 2p2 who's set aside to mediate matters such as this one? I'm confused as to why you're participating at this point.

Maybe he's a bit, uh, dense or something?

20 point infraction right there. That's unless different people are subjected to different rules here at 2p2.

Just so you see where I'm coming from:

http://www.highstakesdb.com/communit...e-forum/page-2

So yes, this kind of thing is obviously a regular part of the day here at 2p2. In this case, however, I would still like an answer as to what forum rule I broke.

Each time a troll comes in the thread, posts nonsense, and a mod does nothing but instead continues to not supply justification for my 20 point infraction, it just makes more and more people feel the way those in that linked thread do about these forums.

This place is a zoo, has 20 year olds moderating it, and absolutely no legitimate oversight or moderation. If you tell the mods they're wonderful and troll anyone who disagrees with a mod, you'll fit right in. Otherwise, go post on one of the better forums out there like DC or RIO.

Obviously, the mod is free to come and explain how calling someone "dense" is a 20 point infraction but he won't. This man probably couldn't even make a cup of coffee or fill a car up with gas so no, he's not going to formulate any legitimate, valid response to that.

Watch, he'll link the exchange that just shows him a) refuse to tell me which moderator to appeal to and b) basically acknowledge that there was no specific forum rule broken in any post of mine, let alone the one I received a 20 point infraction for.

Make up your own mind but yeah...no other forums this large operate this way anywhere on the internet.

How are we supposed to 'make up our own minds' if you won't post the damn correspondence in full?

The conversation isn't even relevant to the thread, that's why. If he wants to post it, he's free to. Why hasn't he? I can assure you, there's nothing shocking or impressive about it. He just rambles on with sheer garbage and refuses to tell me who I contact about this and fails to cite specifically what forum rule I broke.

You don't need to see that to take the post of mine that I copied and pasted in this thread, read it, and determine whether or not it warranted a 20 point infraction.

Now, this is how this all got started. I simply pointed out to a few people, very much like you, how they have serious comprehension issues.

This one's simple: I called someone dense in a post and a mod gave me a 20 point infraction. How is that justifiable?

And these are the two prior posts I'm referring to in the PMs:

As I told him in those PMs, the infraction was for his body of work in the thread. We had post reports from 3 different people about is posts - an extremely high number for the WPN forum.

Also, he received a warning from me for trolling, a couple of weeks ago.

Things sure changed a lot in the <24 hours since this post!

^^^

You can't just sit in your mind and say "well, he didn't actually violate any forum rule in any post so I'm going to just assess a 20 point infraction on him for his BODY OF WORK (what a bunch of bs) altogether". Even though I didn't break any forum rules.

Look, I've always liked Canadians but everywhere I've gone in the world people have told me "oh no, mate...they're the most stubborn people on the face of the earth" but I didn't believe it. I'm starting to see it with this exchange with you BooBo.

What forum rule did I violate? Cite one. I can call you dense, stupid, ignorant, a moron, etc. None of those are violations of the forum rules especially not when I'm addressing someone who actually is all of those things. In the thread that you're claiming I have this "20 point BODY OF WORK", I'm simply addressing (appropriately) people who are, point blank, ******ed. I received multiple PM's from people who absolutely couldn't believe that these guys couldn't wrap their minds around the concepts in that thread. Why can't I, after being patient with them for two days, simply inform them that the matter is way above their heads and that they're lack of intellectual capacity makes their presence in a discussion like this counterproductive? What's the problem? You don't LIKE that someone got put in their place like that? Guess what - It's not a forum violation.

Where's the 20 point infraction come from?

As for your gigantic copy paste: Called it. Where in there do you tell me which moderator I appeal to? You claim "Mat Sklansky". There's NOBODY to contact before him?

These forums are a disaster and this is exactly why. Instead of spending your time on updating threads that are outdated for years, and maybe redoing the graphics or something around here that look like they come from the stone age, you spend your time protecting your ego and arguing vehemently over nothing with forum members. Forum members who have written lengthy posts reviewing software, helping people, discussing poker strategy, and even someone who's spent money with the advertisers on the site. A few times.

Why can't you just admit that I might not have deserved a TWENTY (not the typical TEN) point infraction for calling someone dense?

I have to go about my day and my life. Unlike you guys, I don't sit on my ass doing pro bono work for Mat Sklansky all day. I have an existence. None of it matters anyway. A mod here could run over six children in the street and the same little drones and trolls would come out and literally stroke his ego to death over it here on 2p2. This is why there's the kind of sheer hatred and lack of respect for this site out there in the poker community that exists today.

Stroll over to some of the various sub forums they have here on 2p2. See if calling someone "dense" measures up to the level of most of the insults and attacks that are thrown around here on a daily basis. I can assure you, virtually none of them received a 20 point infraction. This guy, Bobo, is a JOKE as a moderator.

If you want to disagree that your posts broke the 2+2 site terms, go ahead and argue that, but I've already quoted for you the portion I gave you the infraction for violating, so there's no need to keep asking me to cite another rule.

That's correct. Moderators don't rule on other moderator's (or admin's) infractions.

I'm off to bed now, so I'll leave you to your fun.

nutflush in my short time on 2p2 i've found bobo to me one of the most fair and helpful posters/mods. just read your exchange with him, you acted like a complete douchebag.