Harrington Raceway, DE - Deleted Posts

[Lord Bodak]

There has been a thread in Poker Venues regarding Harrington Raceway in Delaware. A dealer there has been posting (and people have requested he continue) information about how many games are running and what promotions are going on. He never kept it a secret that he was an employee of the casino.

Someone reported him for doing so. He said that he made the request to be "recognized" as allowed to do this (which is obviously done for other venues, off the top of my head, Stan at Borgata). I would like to voice my support for this. How does it benefit the forums to forbid a dealer from informing us about the status of the room?

Additionally, all of his posts have now been deleted from the thread. I'm not sure why, but now we have a thread that is about half the size. The user was AFishCalledHonda.

How can this be straightened out? Harrington is the closest legal poker room to me in Virginia, it's a small room, and I want to see it succeed because it sucks driving 3 hours to play, I would hate to have to drive even farther!

On a side note, I can't seem to find anything about poker room employees and posting in threads. Since some people have been approved to do so, I think there should be a stickie in Poker Venues detailing what the rules are for employees of the rooms, and what they need to do to be given permission to do it. Otherwise people see Stan posting in the Borgata thread and assume it's fine for them to do so as well. And obviously the service Stan provides is awesome... other rooms need that opportunity as well.

[Bobo Fett]

I have one or two people that have recently been lined up for approval to post as room reps, and am a little behind - I hope to get to them tonight or tomorrow. I'm not sure off the top of my head if this is one of them, but I'll have a look and see.

As for the rule, see guideline 6 here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...1-10-a-851539/

[Lord Bodak]

Ah, thank you! I was fairly certain I had seen that before but couldn't find it when I was looking tonight.

If/when he is approved, is it possible that the deleted posts can be restored to the thread?

[Bobo Fett]

Not knowing much about it either way yet, I can't say for sure, but I'll have a look and see what I can do - there may be another reason they were deleted.

[Rapini]

Originally Posted by Lord Bodak

There has been a thread in Poker Venues regarding Harrington Raceway in Delaware. A dealer there has been posting (and people have requested he continue) information about how many games are running and what promotions are going on. He never kept it a secret that he was an employee of the casino.

Someone reported him for doing so. He said that he made the request to be "recognized" as allowed to do this (which is obviously done for other venues, off the top of my head, Stan at Borgata). I would like to voice my support for this. How does it benefit the forums to forbid a dealer from informing us about the status of the room?

Hi LB. If I were in charge I'd be inclined to allow anyone to say whatever they want about a poker room as long as those people are 100% honest about their connection to the poker room. But there's a few practical problems with that:

(1) How do you ensure that people are actually being honest?
(2) Do you allow cardroom employees who are not on 2+2 to defend themselves be open to criticism?
(3) If anyone is allowed to say anything about the rooms, how can 2+2 capitalize on their unique position in the market?

The current system protects the 2+2 community by vetting authorized room representatives. It does not allow users to attack cardroom employees who cannot defend themselves on 2+2. And it allows 2+2 to provide advertising opportunities to cardrooms who wish to support 2+2 in exchange for enhanced latitude in posting.

Under the current system, dealers are not allowed to be cardroom representatives; only cardroom management can handle that role. If I recall correctly, the rationale for that rule is twofold: (1) dealers can't really speak for a room as a whole on policy issues, so they wouldn't be in a position to work out an advertising deal with 2+2 or to directly handle customer suggestions or grievances; and (2) there are some cardrooms that explicitly prohibit dealers from speaking on behalf of the cardrooms.

Originally Posted by Lord Bodak

Additionally, all of his posts have now been deleted from the thread. I'm not sure why, but now we have a thread that is about half the size. The user was AFishCalledHonda.

How can this be straightened out? Harrington is the closest legal poker room to me in Virginia, it's a small room, and I want to see it succeed because it sucks driving 3 hours to play, I would hate to have to drive even farther!

I deleted his posts from the thread because he was a dealer and therefore ineligible to become an authorized card room representative. I also sent him a message letting him know that he should have management in his room contact 2+2 advertising to become an authorized card room representative.

If Bobo Fett was thinking about making an exception to the rule, then I apologize for jumping the gun and we'll put the posts back up as soon as he's authorized. However, I don't think that was the case because there were no communications on the issue. On the other other other hand though, Bobo Fett is a busy guy so it's not out of the realm of possibilities. Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by Lord Bodak

On a side note, I can't seem to find anything about poker room employees and posting in threads. Since some people have been approved to do so, I think there should be a stickie in Poker Venues detailing what the rules are for employees of the rooms, and what they need to do to be given permission to do it. Otherwise people see Stan posting in the Borgata thread and assume it's fine for them to do so as well. And obviously the service Stan provides is awesome... other rooms need that opportunity as well.

This bit is incredibly confusing to me. It's so strange that you knew about Sticky threads but that you somehow weren't able to find info that was exactly in the place you indicated.

[Lord Bodak]

Originally Posted by Rapini

Under the current system, dealers are not allowed to be cardroom representatives; only cardroom management can handle that role. If I recall correctly, the rationale for that rule is twofold: (1) dealers can't really speak for a room as a whole on policy issues, so they wouldn't be in a position to work out an advertising deal with 2+2 or to directly handle customer suggestions or grievances; and (2) there are some cardrooms that explicitly prohibit dealers from speaking on behalf of the cardrooms.

This bit is incredibly confusing to me. It's so strange that you knew about Sticky threads but that you somehow weren't able to find info that was exactly in the place you indicated.

Thanks for the response. For the first point-- I think that policy actually makes a lot of sense, except I would raise one issue. If a cardroom chooses to make a dealer their 2+2 representative, shouldn't that be allowed?

I see the logic in not allowing it in every case, for exactly the reasons you stated. I also don't know if it would make any difference in this specific situation, because I don't know what was/will be said when the poster in question speaks to management, but especially with such a small room (and therefore small staff), I could certainly see a manager granting permission to a dealer to take on that role if the dealer was motivated.

As for the guideline-- I just flat out missed it when looking through that sticky. I remembered reading it in the past and thought it was its own post, so I jumped the gun when saying it wasn't in a sticky!

[Rapini]

Don't worry about the sticky thing. I was just genuinely confused reading your post because I'd say 70% of posters never read stickies, 10% read them and then promptly ignore them, and 20% read them and follow them. It's really rare for someone to know about them but not know the rules.

One thing I forgot to mention in my original post itt is that dealers are allowed to post about their places of employment as long as their posts are limited to answering questions about rules and procedures. There are lots of dealers who do that in B&M and we love them for it.