From the sticky: We're going to start being a bit more harsh about stuff like this because NVG is becoming unreadable.
You don't say? I'm with you Noah!!!!!! Purge the forum! We don't need childish posts in NVG. Photoshop threads about Hellmuth On a hot dog deserve respect!
NVG's a weird mixture of things. In addition to being the best source for Hellmuth on a hot dog, it's also a ton of people's preferred source for news about the poker world--much of which is life-changing to them.
NVG's a weird mixture of things. In addition to being the best source for Hellmuth on a hot dog, it's also a ton of people's preferred source for news about the poker world--much of which is life-changing to them.
If people strictly wanted news they could visit Poker Headlines. If I am in NVG and want to post one time I should be able to without having to watch my back for Noah for supposedly wasting everyone's time. NVG is going to be to strict with the Golden Rule sticky and posting won't be as enjoyable.
The point is that there's so much bitching and bickering and nonsense (in non-nonsense threads) in NVG that it's not enjoyable for a lot of posters right now.
Many other people can appreciate that, because they have the ability to put themselves in other people's shoes. You should try that sometime.
If people strictly wanted news they could visit Poker Headlines. If I am in NVG and want to post one time I should be able to without having to watch my back for Noah for supposedly wasting everyone's time. NVG is going to be to strict with the Golden Rule sticky and posting won't be as enjoyable.
You have no idea how strict it will be, and you need to look up the word "too".
While I am far from being kevmode's biggest fan (and watch out, SGT RJ - one day I am going to challenge you heads up for the title of being Bobo Fett's biggest fan), I find that I do have to agree with a part of his concern.
I generally like the new Golden Rule, and cannot dispute the assessment that led to it. However, I feel that one small part of it might go a bit too far.
My area of concern is the point titled "Ramblings about your marginally related theories on stuff". It uses as an example a post by Prospace from the thread "Big News: PokerStars Purchases FTP(?)". What it doesn't show is that the post was a direct response to a question that had been asked. The question was: "Who is in the wings to purchase FTP from Stars? Wynn?". The answer was an explanation of why Prospace thought it was logical for Wynn to purchase FTP from Stars.
Yes, it fits with the context of Prospace's usual theories, many of which I have little time for. However, I think this answer stands on its own. It is a relevant answer to a direct question, That question in turn is a logical outflow of the original thread topic. IOW I cannot see either the post or the question it responds to as only marginally related to the thread. It is germain. As such, I don't think it is a good example of the principle it is employed to illustrate..
Do we really want to spawn separate threads for:
Why would Stars buy FTP?
Will Stars sell off or close FTP, or keep operating it?
How much of the $750 was for fines, and how much for players?
How long do we have to wait before the Stars deal closes?
No. Each of those issues flows naturally from the rumour of Stars buying FTP. None of them can be addressed with facts, right now, so we are going to get theories, or we are just not going to discuss the issue at all. On a forum titled NVG, is the latter alternative even worth considering?
I suspect that a contributing factor in the choice of the particular example may be the history of the poster, in posting some stuff that seems pretty off-the-wall. I'm not sure how much weight that should be given when considering the issue of relevancy. Also, mods need to be careful in rejecting material as too off-the-wall. After all, the OP of that very thread had been removed by mods out of incredulity, and was only reinstated when multiple sources supported the assertion it was true.
I appreciate all the hard work done by the mods, and generally I think their judgement is good. In this one case, I am worried that the example chosen may indicate they are thinking of going a bit farther that I personally would like. Please avoid going too far on the issue of relevance. And perhaps change the example, to something a bit more blatant.
NVG's a weird mixture of things. In addition to being the best source for Hellmuth on a hot dog, it's also a ton of people's preferred source for news about the poker world--much of which is life-changing to them.
The sticky is a bit lol but it's your world man. NVG will always be full of vile subhumans and no sticky will ever change that fact.
DTM,
Sounds like I just chose a bad example. I was just scrolling through the thread looking for stuff, and since Prospace has a long history of jumping into threads that have nothing to do with Steve Wynn and mentioning some conspiracy theory about Steve Wynn, I probably didn't read/misread the context. I'll look for something better.
I certainly don't want to discourage people from asking and answering tangential questions. I was just trying to discourage the sort of "What you sheeple don't realize is that Helmuth has been conspiring for years with the mafia and Putin to overthrow Harrah's. While you drones are busy posting about Helmuth on a hotdog, he's plotting to destroy the world." (Actually... maybe I'll just use that...)
The sticky is a bit lol but it's your world man. NVG will always be full of vile subhumans and no sticky will ever change that fact.
Good luck on your quest.
-Is mise kevmode.
I've actually found that the peanut gallery responds surprisingly well when I make a polite request. So far, the response to this sticky seems to be pretty cool, actually. I think it's probably worth the little bit of clutter on the homepage, though I certainly don't think it'll transform NVG.
Whether or not an individual who is reading a thread wants to read the particular post in the thread is up to the individual.
If the individual who were reading the thread wanted to post in the thread but were reading a particular post instead of making his own individual post in the thread then he would not be posting and would instead be reading which is also up to the individual. Such individual does not know if he wanted to read a particular post in the thread until he actually reads it and thus after determining that if it were up to him he would not have read that post the individual can not go backwards and unread the thread therefore there is not as much individual choice of reading a particular post being up to the individual as you seem to think. But the individual can decide whether to make the post in the first place and can also decide on his own if the post will be interesting to enough individuals to make it worth their time to read the post that he took the time to write which was up to the individual.
From the sticky: We're going to start being a bit more harsh about stuff like this because NVG is becoming unreadable.
You don't say? I'm with you Noah!!!!!! Purge the forum! We don't need childish posts in NVG. Photoshop threads about Hellmuth On a hot dog deserve respect!
This.
The moderating on this forum is, in general, very subpar because it gets in the way of many good threads instead of helping create and improve the content of threads.
The moderators don't seem to realize the difference between shooting the breeze, having fun and spamming. Spam is a post that is non-conversational or has no-content. Shooting the breeze and having fun are posts that are casual or humorous but not off-topic or mean-spirited, and also may share interesting opinions or start interesting conversations that are somehow related to poker. A post being funny or causing people to gain some form of insight about themselves also counts as content.
Far, far too often a conversation will be started that is of a "shooting the breeze" form (such as the one on whether or not most High Stakes players have autism and if so why), which lead to some pretty interesting posts and a lot of posters testing themselves for autism. Within a day or so, the thread was locked by the moderators with no apparent explanation. It was not spam, it was not flaming, it was actually interesting.
The same is true of a thread called "Pokerstar vs. Rockstar" (here) where someone asked about the comparative odds of succeeding at both. I actually took time to write out my experiences working in a talent agency while playing poker in the evenings, and compared both and what proportions I think luck, persistence and talent played in each. A lot of people replied to let me know they enjoyed the post.
I came back a day or two later. The thread was locked. With no explanation.
This is bad moderating. A subjective opinion of one person should not stop a conversation that is on-topic, fairly unique, free of flaming, and that dozens of others are quite clearly enjoying. Posters who genuinely want to share their thoughts on things or try to start or participate in interesting discussions that may shed some light on some small aspect of the topic should NOT be discouraged by worrying about inexplicable moderating deleting or locking their thread. Just like how, in a just society, the average citizen should NOT be afraid or uncomfortable around policemen. On Sherdog, for one example, the moderators are also overbearing, but they have a section called "The Wasteland" where they will move posts, so you can try to start good threads with the knowledge that at the very least you will still get to talk about the topic you had in mind even if it's moved to another section. Not so here.
When you are getting in the way of good posts and content instead of causing more of it to appear, then you as a moderator are becoming another problem to the board, instead of a solution. But whatever.
Whether or not an individual who is reading a thread wants to read the particular post in the thread is up to the individual.
Seriously, this is just amazing.
Kevmode is claiming that the poster can choose not to read the posts in the thread that he doesn't want to read. How the F can he know he doesn't want to read it until he actually reads it? I'm just amazed.
We actually had an ATF discussion about that (you know, the place where people are actually supposed to come to discuss forum/moderator issues, as opposed to derailing actual NVG threads) and I explained why the thread was locked very clearly, and encouraged anyone who was interested in the topic to post in the Psych forum (where such a thread was much better suited).
Just because you were into something doesn't mean it actually belongs in that forum, or that it was actually appropriate. Speculating about the medical or psychological conditions of other people is just....wrong. Which is what was starting to happen.
So there was an explanation, you just didn't happen to see it. And you assume that just because you were behaving appropriately (presumably), everyone else was (or was going to).
Do you honestly think mods PREFER having to lock/delete? That we just look for posts/threads to do it? Oh wait, some of you actually do think that. LOLnazipowertrippingfacistmods.
We'd all be much happier if people followed the forum rules and we rarely had to do anything at all. Alas, such is not the case.
I wanted this to be a serious thread not a troll thread.
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Originally Posted by kevmode
I don't understand all the lol and trolling towards me in this thread.
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Hey RJ,
Is kevmode serious? Is he trolling? I want to believe he is a troll king but I think he is actually real. It's amazing.
Yeah, here we have the whole problem with you Kev. I'll explain it. Then you will ignore it because you ignore pretty much everything and live inside a bubble of dumb. Or you'll press the post report button because you missed the point. Again.
This can't be a serious thread, because it was started by you, KevMode. It's now an impossibility.
You have moved so far from 'regular poster' to a default position of 'incredibly stupid' that you no longer get treated like a regular poster, because you are no longer perceived by any 2+2 user who is familiar with your posts as a regular poster, you are perceived as 'that idiot KevMode who doesn't understand anything' so everyone treats you as such. You have, through your own posts, essentially put a 'kick me' sign on your back. This is the internet, you are going to get kicked. A lot. You seem to post as if you're in a small world where the only person living there is you. You don't seem able to take on board and process anyone else's views or opinions. This comes across very strongly in your posts. I'd imagine this annoys a lot of people and is pretty much responsible for you not being taken seriously.
But essentially FatKid is right, you can't be a troll so you have to be real. At first people thought you were just an elaborate troll, but it seems that you are actually incredibly dumb. That leaves us with three options:
1. You are incredibly dumb/Canadian
2. You are educationally disabled/autistic in some way
If you're incredibly dumb and trying to speak as a voice of note on some subjects then you can't blame people when they point out that you are very regularly wrong and not looking at a situation correctly. And if the people are NVG posters then they aren't going to do it politely very often. You should instead think 'hmm if everyone keeps saying I'm wrong and an idiot I must be coming across badly, maybe I should post differently". Or you can do as you currently do and carry on regardless, forever nullifying your ability to make a serious post or point ever.
So you see, your posting is so bad the only result that would explain things away without you looking completely terrible is that you are educationally disabled. Contemplate how bad your posting must be for this to be the outcome. The way all the current posters on 2+2 treat you is a direct result of your posts so the way to stop people treating you like an idiot who only thinks about himself is to try and stop posting like an idiot who only thinks about himself.
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Anyway, the sticky isn't a threat to stop posting crap or else you'll get in trouble; it's a reminder to think
Yeah, that's why Kev hates it. Zing.
Last edited by Bobo Fett; 04-25-2012 at 07:45 PM.
Reason: Infraction imposed for being mean to Canadians.
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